Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Amaret

Not even 70 and not able to understand how strong chain strategem is.
This game isnt all about Dungeons & AoE Dmg. (But yea i admit non existent AoE makes dungeons boring)


Scholar is fine for raids and pretty much still the go to. Mana-Management is by far no problem.
Shadowflare is awesome how it is, especially for fights where the bosses disappear/need to be moved very often.(Its even stronger if you count in that you can broil 2 times instead of wasting gcd to cast shadowflare)
Embrace scale way differently than our normal heals. Embrace is still strong, and its free compared to the hots from ast/whm.
Adlo -> since MP isn't an issue... why reverting it? It should be used for tbs and hard hitting aoe (spread) not as just a better heal than physic.

This doc is just a pile of bullshit... its just a "mimimi make my class op plx" of someone who doesn't knew how to play Scholar befor Stormblood anyway.

First of all I am level seventy and have been for a few days, I've mained Scholar since launch four years ago, and even played in beta with a breaks here and there as everyone has taken. So I know what Scholar was like in ARR AND Heavensward in the dungeon aspect, the trial aspect and raiding aspect. Astrologian's single target shield is instant with no cast time and shields for more than Scholar's Adlo which has a cast time. Astrologian's AoE Shield is stronger than Scholar's Succor, Astrologian's bubble shield is stronger than Sacred Soil. They get Bole Card for even more mititgation, but yet Scholar is and has always been the main shield and mitigation healer but Astrlogian can do everything we can do but better at all. I never stated it was all about dungeons and AoE damage?? That was merely ON TOP of AST having better shields and damage mitigation in every department. So I don't appreciate your false assumptions.

Originally Posted by zeopower6

Well, they've mainly been trying to recover from Astrologian being mostly unusable for most of 3.0... but in the process of all that adjusting, it's like... what about the original regen and shielding healers? I will still play SCH but it feels a little sour to have the hybrid healer basically do everything you do but with higher potencies.

Like yeah, they're getting people to play the new healer now, but if you're gonna adjust one, you kind of have to adjust the others too. Have Adlo or Succor even been touched since SCH came out?

Uh what? AST was perfectly fine after 3.2... WHM was the weakest healer for most of HW. By the end of HW AST had been overtuned, and WHM was left to the wayside.

Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Weakest as in least desired. AST was buffed and then buffed again pushing WHM out. Instead of making all healers mostly equal they overbuffed AST and never buffed WHM.

They didn't need to buff WHM because it was solid. The issue is that AST was largely a carbon-copy clone of WHM playstyle with a card mechanic, so no one liked replacing SCH with it because it couldn't fill the same role as easily. Originally AST had extremely poor mana management as well, and while people suffered the class for its Balance and Arrow in the harsh DPS checks of Gordias/Midas, WHM was the goto main healer for both sets because it was simply better at the main healing role.

Creator came and by then AST had been brought up to a pretty good place alongside WHM, but Noct stance was still a poor man's SCH. SCH was strong sustained DPS with mana management that supported it with the downside of negligible burst DPS, whereas both AST and WHM were the opposite with high burst at the cost of depleting their mana very quickly. Furthermore Noct shields were at the level where they could supplant a SCH if needed, but they lacked both the utility of Eos and the off-healer friendliness of ogcd burst healing in between cleric stance applications. Again, SCH fit the off-healer role better due to its DPS nature and toolkit of powerful burst heals with cooldowns, so if you wanted cards in Creator swapping the WHM to AST was frankly a lateral move given the similarities between how the two classes played.

That's not the case now. They've made the healers "more equal" with drastic steps, giving WHM and SCH the same mana generation effects and cooldowns with only energy drain and thin air to differentiate them, with all their base DPS being the same spamming one or two DoTs and then direct damage spam. Noct AST was buffed in such a way that no one can really make the argument that they're inferior to SCH shielding, and SCH is no longer able to sustain a high level of DoT DPS to solidify their off-healer slot not thanks to AST buffs, but due to sweeping class restructures and nerfs. And it's not all one-sided, as WHM got a number of changes to bring them closer to SCH in terms of ogcds, with Benediction and Assize having shorter cooldowns and Divine Benison effectively able to turn Cure II into an Adloquium once every 30 seconds. Now all healers play more like each other than ever before, and it will likely only get worse as they build upon it.

Has SE said anything acknowledging the state that SCH are in?

Because I'll be honest, as things are now the state of SCH is likely to lose them my sub. I was increasingly worried as more info about Healer role actions and SCH changes specifically came out in the lead up to Stormblood, but trusted SE to design encounters in a way that made sense with the changes as part of their vision for the game going forward. The more I play and hear from others though, the more clear it becomes that either no one actually tested SCH during Stormblood development, or said vision of the game's future does not include the SCH I've grown to love playing in it.

So Square, if you're reading this; I sincerely hope you can show recognition of SCH's many new issues by 7/15. Not asking for actual fixes in that time frame, just that we know you guys know that there is a problem. Otherwise I will most likely be dropping my sub, and you will have lost both my money and good will going forward.