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"Taking fun away is how you discourage behavior."
I have nothing against fun, as long as it stays within the rules and doesn't mess with anything else. Frankly speaking, if WAR shenanigans in 3.0 had had no effect on how people perceived PLD and DRK (nor jump-started the fixation on DPS), I wouldn't be here arguing in the name of balance.
If they wanted to add some sort of penalty to stances, then they need to go about doing it in a way that doesn't gut the passive boosts of DnD or kill our ability to use skills (aka, "having fun").
The passive boosts could and should be baked into the stances in full. Funny how they made the same mistake they made in 2.0 when Wrath stacks are what increased healing received rather than Defiance itself.
I can speak only for myself when I say this, but I became a WAR because I wanted to tank, not to dps. Sure, Fell Cleave and Decimate and Deliverance are nice, but if they're going to sacrifice so much of our versatility and tankiness on the altar of "balance" then I'd rather they just ditch Deliverance and all that entails and instead transfer all that strength into more tank and utility power. I signed up to be a sustain meat tank. Let me be a sustain meat tank instead of trying to make me an ok dps and a capable tank and then failing at both to varying degrees.
You don't need to ditch Deliverance, as at that point you're throwing away the gauge system for when you're not tanking. You'd be limited only to Butcher's Block with Storm's Eye thrown in every now and then.

What WAR players should consider is the fact that stances are supposed to work and be used a certain way, and they didn't during Heavensward. While everyone called PLD and DRK defective for having penalties on Oaths/Grit (resource cost, breaking combos, being on the GCD), WARs made out like bandits and everyone acted like they were the standard instead of the outlier that came about due to developer oversight. Best analogy I can come up with is that through a glitch in the system WAR was getting free lunch while PLD, DRK, and every tank that has ever had stances in every game ever made had to pay for their own. The glitch has been fixed, and now WAR has to pay for their lunch like everyone else.