please return bloodbath to warrior

[Venoshock]

I NEED this buff dude, ok i can somewhat deal with flash being gone but i miss doing big pulls and spamming berzerk + overpower with a little bit of decimate sprinkled on top, watching my HP bar bounce<3 , also it helps when the healer isn't there GIVE IT BACK SE

[konpachizaraki]

while we're at it how about get rid beast gauge cost for upheaval and onslaught, and get rid of that stance dancing penalty nonsense

[Venoshock]

while we're at it how about get rid beast gauge cost for upheaval and onslaught, and get rid of that stance dancing penalty nonsense

bruh that beast gauge is pissing me off too, it kills stance dancing entirely.

[Ogulbuk]

If you are at full HP, Upheaval can be a very powerful action, at least in Defiance. I can see a justification for it costing BG.

Onslaught is just a joke as it stands.

[Duelle]

it kills stance dancing entirely.

I'm going to indulge in something I rarely ever do.

As I've said in other threads, every class that has had stances in every game ever made had penalties for stance switching. It's meant to make you think of when to switch stances instead of doing it rotationally, or (as seen throughout HW) get an aggro lead and pretend you were a DPS.

Now, to show I'm not entirely heartless, I can suggest one way to get stance dancing back, but it would require removing every bonus from Deliverance and Defiance (no increase in max HP, no aggro bonuses, no crit bonuses), and instead have them alter the effects of individual skills (for example, Berserk behaving differently depending on which stance you use it in). You'd also need to do more combo juggling because your threat bonuses would come from a combo effect, which means that if you want to hold aggro you're going to keep that threat bonus active most if not all the time, combined with other passive mitigation effects from combos. And that would be on top of still managing the Inner Beast gauge for consumption on damage or mitigation skills.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

What if I told you that was the point?

Except that wasn't the point. Stance dancing is still very much a thing, it's just far more awkward.

[Duelle]

Except that wasn't the point. Stance dancing is still very much a thing, it's just far more awkward.

Inconveniences (or awkwardness) in design are a way of discouraging behavior. The devs can't use the more harsh alternatives (like, say, dungeon and boss mobs deal double-damage crits on every hit when you're not in Defiance) because that would require them reworking damage formulas across the board.

Which would make sense as a change if majority opinion wasn't towards the reduction of stance switch penalties

Maybe I'm misreading, but you're saying that because a good portion of WARs got used to having no penalties for stance switching, the entire design should now cater to that instead of aiming for something that's balanced and respects the inherent limits (not to mention the point) of stances.

[CaptnYesterday]

YES! I feel ya OP. For massive pulls, this was awesome! Rampart does not make up for it in massive pulls.
1. I used BloodBath same way: Blood Bath + Berzerk + Overpower.
2. Onslaught using gauge is a complete WTF redesign.
3. Stance change using 1/2 of the gauge feels TERRIBLE.
4. Give us an 360 degree enmity move like other tanks. Lost flash and Overpower interrupts combos.

[YitharV2]

YES! I feel ya OP. For massive pulls, this was awesome! Rampart does not make up for it in massive pulls.
1. I used BloodBath same way: Blood Bath + Berzerk + Overpower.
2. Onslaught using gauge is a complete WTF redesign.
3. Stance change using 1/2 of the gauge feels TERRIBLE.
4. Give us an 360 degree enmity move like other tanks. Lost flash and Overpower interrupts combos.

1. Not just that. Bloodbath + Berserk + Overpower + 2x Decimate + Vengeance was AoE godmode, like literally Hallowed Ground but better.

[CaptnYesterday]

1. Not just that. Bloodbath + Berserk + Overpower + 2x Decimate + Vengeance was AoE godmode, like literally Hallowed Ground but better.

Oh god... don't remind me. Executing that rotation felt so god-like. Pushing that with efficiency was what WAR was all about in those dungeons.