Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Tonkra]

And in the damage department, Smn needs a large overhaul. Aoe? Single Target? all of it.

yes give him all. Give SMN the damage burst of a BLM and the heal of a red mage (Though smn isnt a hybrid healing FF job)

This suggestion is completely gross.

- get back sustain

- improve damage (pets or caster)


and we are done.

im pretty sure people like you would also ask for a glamour system that transforms "demi-bahamut" into a shiva that shoots laser beams.

Not enought hat we have a carbuncle using wind magic instead of light.

[Texa]

This suggestion is completely gross.

Can you please tone down the personal insults to people who don't agree with you on video game magic a little?

[Ariomi]

yes give him all. Give SMN the damage burst of a BLM and the heal of a red mage (Though smn isnt a hybrid healing FF job)

You are delusional. I was referring to how Smn's single target was neutered as well as their Aoe. But you no idea what you are talking about in the slightest in regards to summoner. Do you know any other class that has infinite Mana like black mage? Or that is as mobile and versatile as Red mage?

You know any other caster with a gap closer or that can jump away? None of these make Red mage unique at all. Red mage totally wouldnt be unique anymore if Summoner had skills that were buffed into being useable. ./sarcasm

[Caduagm]

useless stuff.

Dude, you don't even have SMN at least on level 60, you DON'T KNOW what we are talking here and about we are talking here, go level up your SMN, you have no clue what is actually going on.

[Tonkra]

Dude, you don't even have SMN at least on level 60, you DON'T KNOW what we are talking here and about we are talking here, go level up your SMN, you have no clue what is actually going on.

And you cant even argument why a pet heal wouldnt be enough for a Summoner.
You cant ask for a better party member heal to become a semi-healer and on the other hand to improve your damage.


Or how in any way the damage lack of a summoner would be solved by implementing a stronger physick heal.

this is ridiculous as its best. Why do you ask for a better physick heal if the real problem is the damage lack of all i could read in the threads about summoner.
I moreover thing the problems of SMN lie somewhere else. and yes i stopped leveling SMN long time ago because i didnt like how they worked SMN out in this game. As i talked about in here (which is more about the visuals itself but also the pets):
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...on-Bahamut-now

[Ilenya]

And you cant even argument why a pet heal wouldnt be enough for a Summoner.

Or how in any way the damage lack of a summoner would be solved by implementing a stronger physick heal.

this is ridiculous as its best. Why do you ask for a better physick heal if the real problem is the damage lack of all i could read in the threads about summoner.

I am fairly certain no one has said that having sustain back would not be helpful. Actually, thinking about it, having a trait where casting physick also sustains your pet would probably work, regardless on other changes to physick.

[Tonkra]

I've never asked for a stronger physick or a semi healer.

But airomi did and many people liked the idea by improving the physick spell. And yes im getting toxic if people are unable to understand or to read carefully.

Because my opinion was "get back sustain or a proper pet heal" instead of improving physick to become a semi healer like RDM. RDM draws its uniqueness in its hybrid job class idea, he is not a burst damage dealer like BLM nor a healer like a White mage. Now if more dd classes come up with the idea (give me a support heal) it would remove the uniqueness from RDM.

Nor does it solve the problem of SMN's lack of damage.

I am fairly certain no one has said that having sustain back would not be helpful. .

I talked with ariomi about 3 pages here in this thread by saying "get back sustain (or even a proper pet heal) back and remove the useless physick spell instead" which firstly would straighten up the role of the SMN even more up. And get rid of the relics of the old base class system.

[Caduagm]

blah blah blah

I've never asked for a stronger physick or a semi healer.
I said they took off sustain because they thought it was useless which is obviously not.
Please go level your summoner and come to this post after you learn it. And also; stop being toxic.

[Ariomi]

And you cant even argument why a pet heal wouldnt be enough for a Summoner.

I've already answered this question for you several times.

Asking for Sustain back is the equivalent to asking for Perfect Dodge back. Do you remember that Ability? There's no reason to believe that anything removed from the game is coming back ever.

Before heavensward, Blm's had things like triple flare, and as badly as Blm want those back, I don't think it's happening. Just like how I don't think Whm will get stoneskin back, Dragoons will get Ring of thorns back, or any other skill that vanished into the void.

This in no means fixes Summoner's lack luster damage. It gives them the basic functionality that they lack after their dedicated pet heal was removed.
Difference between Scholar's and Summoners? Scholars can atleast heal their pet. This fixes Summoner's pet dying which is no less than 25% of their dps.

[Paladinleeds]

Dude, you don't even have SMN at least on level 60, you DON'T KNOW what we are talking here and about we are talking here, go level up your SMN, you have no clue what is actually going on.

I do have SMN at 60. And I agree with his ideas. He put them forward eloquently in the thread and with good reasoning and honestly, I think they make sense. I don't think someone's low level stops them being able to put forth ideas, without being dismissed as "You haven't levelled it, you don't know what we're talking about."