Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ariomi]

Summoner went from 3 dots to 2 - 110 potency per tick to 80
Removal of Spur
Removal of Sustain - no way to heal pet
Removal of two damage increasing cross class skills
Ruin 3 nerfed 50 potency
Deathflare does less damage per enemy hit
Tri-Disaster nerfed from 870 potency to 800
Bane reduces Dot's damage even more

The Nerfs are pretty substantial when you actually look into them
Just feels empty when I can't even keep my pet alive.

Physic needs to work like Red Mage's Vercure. Let us heal our pet/other party members Make Physic scale off Int or Mind which ever is the highest

Contagion needs to last as long as Dreadwyrm trance

Smn needs another way to get aetherflow. Maybe have Bahamut refresh your aetherflow or Aetherpact give aetherflow. Losing a single stack of Aetherflow is too punishing and adds 60 seconds to ahk morn cooldown

Change aetherpact to just have the pet target whoever you select. Scholar's aetherpact already works like this.

[Medicine]

Yeah.. SCH and SMN are in a pretty bad spot atm, hopefully they make them not awful very soon.

[kattzkitti]

Yeah.. SCH and SMN are in a pretty bad spot atm, hopefully they make them not awful very soon.

How is SCH in a bad spot? They were buffed in everything related to their actual job, and their single-target DPS is still vastly superior to the other healers.

[Medicine]

How is SCH in a bad spot? They were buffed in everything related to their actual job, and their single-target DPS is still vastly superior to the other healers.

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

[Ayer2015]

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

[Medicine]

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

Are you sure? Because WHM and AST have like 3 or 4 different mana regen/reduction abilities, also they nerfed Aetherflow.

[Ariomi]

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

Sch had their mp costs increased and the mp return of Aetherflow nerfed.
Every healer has lucid dream.

Whm can reduce assize's cooldown by 20% and has a skill that reduces all spells mana cost to 0.
Astro can also reduce the cost of spells by 25% with light speed, extend the duration of lucid dream or use an ewer.

[aesteval]

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

May not be worse off for general MP usage, but it's really annoying to switch off of craft / gather class to SMN, hit Aetherflow, hit Swiftcast, and then have to wait for MP ticks before being able to summon. Just, WHY.

[Synrin]

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

As a SCH and someone whose main throughout HW was SMN, I agree.

SMN's strongest side was obviously AoE burst, which took a hit. Single-target I haven't tested enough to be able to pinpoint the exact difference, but boy do I feel weak in 50/60 content.

For all of those still in denial, let me make this clear. Aetherflow mana regen (and Energy Flow) got nerfed, the fairy healing got nerfed (especially Eos took two hits at once), Adloquium MP cost has been increased... So what we are left doing now is spam healing tanks who have also been made a mushy banana squish while relying on the Lucid Dreaming CD. The Cleric Stance is also a joke (5%, really?), and the only DPS help I get to do is, IF I'm lucky, spread my two poor DoTs and put down a Shadow Flare (unless, of course, the tank decides it's LAVA AND HAS TO IMMEDIATELY EVACUATE THE AREA).

[Ariomi]

As a SCH and someone whose main throughout HW was SMN, I agree.

SMN's strongest side was obviously AoE burst, which took a hit. Single-target I haven't tested enough to be able to pinpoint the exact difference, but boy do I feel weak in 50/60 content.

Smn took quite a few big hits single target. Ruin 3 losing 50 potency, Dots dropping from 135 potency per tick to 80. Dreadywyrm trance tri disaster and contagion turned Tri disaster from 870 potency to 1440. That same combo is only 880 potency now. Enkindle went from 490 to 350.

Everywhere we look, we lose anywhere from 50 to 140 potency on our normal spells to contagion dropping 560 potency