Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Cidel]

And if Red mages get a heal and summoner's dont, it's just another area where Red mages far excel summoners.
Red mages currently outclass Summoners in every way. Mobility? Utility? Dps?

Summoner already has physic, why can't it be useful? It would be no different then giving Summoner second wind on themselves and their pet and a little more reason to keep one around.

It just sounds like to me that if everything you mention holds true enough to be acknowledged by the devs, then RDMs should be seeing a nerf in the future or SMNs a buff somewhere.

I'm not here to theorycraft what SMNs can and should be doing for support in comparison to RDMs; I gave a simple idea for SMNs being able to keep their own pet alive themselves without needing to "bring back" another -1 slot on the hotbar while also not impinging on what designs the devs currently have for SMNs. You want to heal your party members on SMN just as good as RDMs? More power to you. Good luck rallying for that. Truly.

Honestly, I'd rather see SMNs excel in the damage department in Stormblood's first wave of "buffs and nerfs" as a first choice.

[Tonkra]

It just sounds like to me that if everything you mention holds true enough to be acknowledged by the devs, then RDMs should be seeing a nerf in the future or SMNs a buff somewhere.

I dont see the connection of SMN and RDM in any way personally. SMN is never supposed to be a hybrid job role class or a healing class, but RDM is.

you could also ask why SMN does far less damage than a blm today..

woops. And RDM cant hold up to BLM's damage as well, just because he is a hybrid. Using heal decreases the DPS on the other hand, too. time he could spend using dd spells. when i switch from RDM over to BLM it is clear that the bosses fall much faster than when i would use my rdm.

[Ariomi]

Good luck rallying for that. Truly.

Honestly, I'd rather see SMNs excel in the damage department in Stormblood's first wave of "buffs and nerfs" as a first choice.

Seeing how as there are many people who like the idea of physic being useful, won't be too hard to rally. People like it when they get a skill, and it's useful in someway. Go figure right?

And in the damage department, Smn needs a large overhaul. Aoe? Single Target? all of it.

[Cidel]

Seeing how as there are many people who like the idea of physic being useful, won't be too hard to rally.

Looking forward to the strong Physics then in 4.1. 'Kay thanks, au revoir.

[Tonkra]

And in the damage department, Smn needs a large overhaul. Aoe? Single Target? all of it.

yes give him all. Give SMN the damage burst of a BLM and the heal of a red mage (Though smn isnt a hybrid healing FF job)

This suggestion is completely gross.

- get back sustain

- improve damage (pets or caster)


and we are done.

im pretty sure people like you would also ask for a glamour system that transforms "demi-bahamut" into a shiva that shoots laser beams.

Not enought hat we have a carbuncle using wind magic instead of light.

[Texa]

This suggestion is completely gross.

Can you please tone down the personal insults to people who don't agree with you on video game magic a little?

[Ariomi]

yes give him all. Give SMN the damage burst of a BLM and the heal of a red mage (Though smn isnt a hybrid healing FF job)

You are delusional. I was referring to how Smn's single target was neutered as well as their Aoe. But you no idea what you are talking about in the slightest in regards to summoner. Do you know any other class that has infinite Mana like black mage? Or that is as mobile and versatile as Red mage?

You know any other caster with a gap closer or that can jump away? None of these make Red mage unique at all. Red mage totally wouldnt be unique anymore if Summoner had skills that were buffed into being useable. ./sarcasm

[Caduagm]

useless stuff.

Dude, you don't even have SMN at least on level 60, you DON'T KNOW what we are talking here and about we are talking here, go level up your SMN, you have no clue what is actually going on.

[Tonkra]

Dude, you don't even have SMN at least on level 60, you DON'T KNOW what we are talking here and about we are talking here, go level up your SMN, you have no clue what is actually going on.

And you cant even argument why a pet heal wouldnt be enough for a Summoner.
You cant ask for a better party member heal to become a semi-healer and on the other hand to improve your damage.


Or how in any way the damage lack of a summoner would be solved by implementing a stronger physick heal.

this is ridiculous as its best. Why do you ask for a better physick heal if the real problem is the damage lack of all i could read in the threads about summoner.
I moreover thing the problems of SMN lie somewhere else. and yes i stopped leveling SMN long time ago because i didnt like how they worked SMN out in this game. As i talked about in here (which is more about the visuals itself but also the pets):
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...on-Bahamut-now

[Ilenya]

And you cant even argument why a pet heal wouldnt be enough for a Summoner.

Or how in any way the damage lack of a summoner would be solved by implementing a stronger physick heal.

this is ridiculous as its best. Why do you ask for a better physick heal if the real problem is the damage lack of all i could read in the threads about summoner.

I am fairly certain no one has said that having sustain back would not be helpful. Actually, thinking about it, having a trait where casting physick also sustains your pet would probably work, regardless on other changes to physick.