Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[Achelon]

4) Infuriate only in combat: For this one I have nothing to say. It's a bad desing and I hope it gets hotfixed to be able to use it outside combat to for prepulls. Infuriate -> Berserk -> Onslaught -> Overpower -> Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye -> Steel Cyclone would be perfect and easier for AoE pulls.

5) And finally, I'm still only 64, almost 65, but I can only dream about the moment I'll get my hands on Inner Release and Fell Cleave x 6 or anything x 6, that will be so awesome the orgasms won't stop for a week.

After all, what I want to say, is that I really understand that you feel hurt and even betrayed by SE, but I don't feel like WAR is in a bad state, we still have a lot of damage, now even mobility. For me it's just a matter to overcome what we have left and learn to enjoy and use what we have been given. SB WAR is not HW WAR and as so, we should learn to play and enjoy it. Classes change, we must change too.

[Reynhart]

Yes, I recognize it's a pain to lose 50% our BG when we swap.

Why does no one acknowledge how awesome it is to be able to build 100 instead of complaining than you can not have more than what IB requres after swap (Which was always th case) ? Now, you can naturally do 2 Fell Cleaves back to back. And also, you can build Gauge faster than before with Storm's Path.

4) Infuriate only in combat: For this one I have nothing to say. It's a bad desing and I hope it gets hotfixed to be able to use it outside combat to for prepulls.

The thing is, prepulls are painful. Having to wait 45 seconds for a WAR to do its trick is boring as hell. Even NIN got something to remove the 23s prepulls. Besides, by the time you start your opener, you basically didn't let anyone put their buffs and debuffs, meaning that the first GCDs on your berserk window will be weak.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why does no one acknowledge how awesome it is to be able to build 100 instead of complaining than you can not have more than what IB requres after swap (Which was always th case) ? Now, you can naturally do 2 Fell Cleaves back to back. And also, you can build Gauge faster than before with Storm's Path.

This isn't new. I did the Triple Fell Cleave opener 90% of the time throughout Heavensward. People are complaining because Warrior went from a fantastic job to one now languishing behind Paladin. For all the talk of how Warrior was too strong. Have y'all seen Paladin? It makes Warrior and Dark Knight look like complete jokes. All the swap cost does is encourage even more players to switch to Deliverance faster and stay in it longer.

The thing is, prepulls are painful. Having to wait 45 seconds for a WAR to do its trick is boring as hell. Even NIN got something to remove the 23s prepulls. Besides, by the time you start your opener, you basically didn't let anyone put their buffs and debuffs, meaning that the first GCDs on your berserk window will be weak.

... that isn't how a good pre-pull works. In Heavenward, my Triple Cleave lined up perfectly fine with Machinist's Hypercharge and Ninja's Trick Attack. I just delayed my second Cleave a little. I don't actually mind this change though.

[Reynhart]

This isn't new. I did the Triple Fell Cleave opener 90% of the time throughout Heavensward.

No, sorry, that's totally new. Because what you needed to do the Triple Fell Cleave in HW now allows you to do the Hexa Fell Cleave.

People are complaining because Warrior went from a fantastic job to one now languishing behind Paladin.

People complain a lot about how WAR's gameplay has changed, and not about its numbers.

If they complained more about how its DPS could be lacking compared to PLD (And even DRK)...then I'd be totally okay with that. WAR should have higher DPS because it now has clearly less group mitigation.

But for that, I'd like to see actual DPS numbers, which were not provided yet to claim that PLD is really that powerful.

[Achelon]

People complain a lot about how WAR's gameplay has changed, and not about its numbers.

In fact, what I really see people complaining about, is that WAR is not the best tank, god-tier anymore, and that is behind Paladin, who has been the worst tank for a whole expansion.
So it all comes to "I'm not the most broken tank and in fact I'm behind in something to other tanks, so I'm shit".

We have better damage than DRK, and we still have to see if PLD do have better damage than we do or not (at level 70 we can have Infuriate aproximately every 30s with the trait).
We have better mobility than Paladin but worse than DRK.
We have better AoE than PLD (my opinion on this tho) but worse than DRK (not in damage but in options).
We have worse mitigation than DRK and PLD.
We have better sustain than DRK or PLD (Storm's Path, Equilibrium and Inner Beast).

[Alphras]

We have worse mitigation than DRK and PLD.

Very debatable.

[Reynhart]

So it all comes to "I'm not the most broken tank and in fact I'm behind in something to other tanks, so I'm shit".

I would be sad if that state overshadows some constructive criticism about the new WAR.

Very debatable.

Personal mitigation ? Debatable
Group mitigation ? Undoubtedly lower

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No, sorry, that's totally new. Because what you needed to do the Triple Fell Cleave in HW now allows you to do the Hexa Fell Cleave.

The Hexa Fell Cleave is, but your post implied multiple Fell Cleaves wasn't possible when it was. You simply burned Raw and Vengeance for stacks.

In fact, what I really see people complaining about, is that WAR is not the best tank, god-tier anymore, and that is behind Paladin, who has been the worst tank for a whole expansion.
So it all comes to "I'm not the most broken tank and in fact I'm behind in something to other tanks, so I'm shit".

We have better damage than DRK, and we still have to see if PLD do have better damage than we do or not (at level 70 we can have Infuriate aproximately every 30s with the trait).
We have better mobility than Paladin but worse than DRK.
We have better AoE than PLD (my opinion on this tho) but worse than DRK (not in damage but in options).
We have worse mitigation than DRK and PLD.
We have better sustain than DRK or PLD (Storm's Path, Equilibrium and Inner Beast).

Plenty of people wanted the other tanks brought closer to Warrior's level. What SE did is nerf the other two while buffing Paladin into the moon. They essentially traded one god tier tank for another... which only promotes Paladin to the "mandatory" tank slot.

Warrior butches Dark Knight in terms of pure mitigation. Vengeance is a better CD than Shadow Wall; Dark Mind lost its unique factor and DRK now has nothing to compare against Inner Beast or Equilibrium . They also have the weakest self sustainability by a mile against bosses. Mitigation wise, DRK is hurting. So really... what does DRK offer? That's a bigger concern for me than Warrior being OP because like it or not, people care about "what jobs are better." These changes only hurt tank variety, which sucks for people who prefer one over the other.

[Jhaerik]

Ya know not all of us base our job choices off of spreadsheets. I liked liked how the Warrior sounded on paper.. and went with it. It was purely the concept I liked. Tank classes with damage that scaled off VIT + 2 hander + what is effectly lifesteal + the ability to do so on AoE pulls.

I'm not one to make alts, I have no interest in playing other jobs. What does that leave me with? A watered down tank with nothing interesting about it other than some damage ability in the middle of a rotation. Why do people care so damn much about Fellcleave damage... is warrior so shit that the only reason people now play it is "lolz big FC numbers yo"

What about the fact that I literally lost half a hotbar of abilities? Everyone I ask about FF14 says "play it for the story/lore" where the hell is the lore in waking up one day and not remembering how to use 5 abilities I used yesterday?