Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[dmcincubus]

Patch 4.1. Please look forward to it, WAR mains.

[ChloeGrace]

Patch 5.0. Please look forward to it, WAR mains.

FTFY.

Characters for length.

[konpachizaraki]

Patch 4.1. Please look forward to it, WAR mains.

more like patch 5.0, IMO they're not going to fix it they did this to put WAR in position where PLD was in 3.x, everything is done on purpose
i think the only thing we can do is deal with it

[Rurur]

I was just getting back into tanking during last weeks and boom! - no Bloodbath!

I'm switching to PLD for tanking. Warrior does not feel like a proper tank anymore. I liked its survivability and flexibility. It has none of it now. It's boring!

[Jhaerik]

I'd literally just gotten into FF14 due to a friend bugging me. I was actually enjoying the Warrior dungeon gameplay and had planned to upgrade my standard account to Stormblood. After 4.0.. hell no. I play the same basic archtype in every game I think. That being the self healing/lifestealing tank. I like having a massive health pool, and a way to self heal at least on a minor scale. Preferable with lots of AoE. Examples D2: WW Barb, EQ: SK, AO: Keeper, DAoC: Reaver, WoW: all tank specs, ect. Thus the Warrior was a good fit for me. 2 weeks after I start they rework the fucking thing into something I hate. I lost 5 hotkeys entirely, the role skills are basically just ways to get back abilities I already had.... cross class skills are effectively removed, Bloodbath was literally the reason I picked warrior to begin with.

Any devoloper that reinvents a character I love when I don't want it changed... ain't getting my money. This exact crap is why I quit WoW back in Cata.

[Jhaerik]

I appear to be one of the few here that doesn't actually view what they did as "ruining" anything.

We gained substantial mitigation, and the beast gauge + 66 trait actually give us a huge amount of uptime on Inner Beast when tanking. Assuming you're using it intelligently you'll be able to have 20% damage reduc....

blah blah blah too long sorry.

You realize that 90% of the community couldn't care less about the bleeding edge late game content right? Most of use queue with pugs, or derp around on dailies with friends/run fates. Warrior was utterly gutted for all of that content. It's sad when my first thought upon seeing a fate is now "let me swap over to anything but warrior cause I'd just be useless."

[Achelon]

To be honest, I'm more than happy with current Warrior.
And before defending my point of view, lemme say something.
Maybe, and I'll repeat, MAYBE, one of the reasons we feel so hurt or bad at the moment (we or you, as I'm not feeling weak at all) is because we were so insanely strong in Heavensward. Denying it would be lying really hard after all. We were not strong, but incredibly strong, and everyone knew it.
Having been on the top or even god-tier for a whole expansion is making it feel the new changes even more.

However, I personally don't feel them like bad changes. Just it's a new way of playing WAR and gotta get used to it. (1)

[Achelon]

1) Onslaught and Upheaval: I find that having a BG cost is fair. First of all, yes, DRK have a no-cost dash, but PLD does not have one on the other hand. We do have one and hella fast and hella cool I must say. It does damage and has increased enmity, and, in case you haven't noticed, it's a lot faster than Plunge, by far. It's almost instant. With Upheaval I find myself with a 30s skill that hits hard (300 potency at full HP) for only 20BG and ignoring Defiance penaly. That means that it's 15 Potency for every BG point. Fell Cleave is 10 Potency for every BG point. Yes, it has no CD, but come on, it's a hard-hitting ability, incredibly cool-looking and ignores Defiance penalty, what helps a lot while tanking. In addition, as someone said in another topic, having 20BG cost helps with our BG management. With 2 combos giving 20BG and one giving 30BG, having two abilities consuming 20BG helps giving some depth to our rotation and management, what makes the job more interesting. (2)

[Achelon]

2) Regarding Stance swap: Yes, I recognize it's a pain to lose 50% our BG when we swap. However, on the other hand, I feel like it is encouraging me to play using my brain a little since I know I will lose some BG. This makes me enjoy the dungeons or trials, having to think about how much BG I have and will generate so the cost of my skills synchronize. It's a shame we lose 50% of our BG, but same happens to PLD, I like to see it as a new way to play my class and one that does require a bit of brain usage.

3) Losing Bloodbath: Yes, I felt this one too. A lot, but, come on, god-tier AoE pulls? Not even fair. However, I too must say I'm finding no issues at the moment without it. Pulling 2x or 3x pulls, using CDs in sequence and with the help and heal of Equilibrium, plus the heal of Inner Beast and Storm's Path I'm able to survive perfectly and do a lot of damage.(3)

[Achelon]

4) Infuriate only in combat: For this one I have nothing to say. It's a bad desing and I hope it gets hotfixed to be able to use it outside combat to for prepulls. Infuriate -> Berserk -> Onslaught -> Overpower -> Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye -> Steel Cyclone would be perfect and easier for AoE pulls.

5) And finally, I'm still only 64, almost 65, but I can only dream about the moment I'll get my hands on Inner Release and Fell Cleave x 6 or anything x 6, that will be so awesome the orgasms won't stop for a week.

After all, what I want to say, is that I really understand that you feel hurt and even betrayed by SE, but I don't feel like WAR is in a bad state, we still have a lot of damage, now even mobility. For me it's just a matter to overcome what we have left and learn to enjoy and use what we have been given. SB WAR is not HW WAR and as so, we should learn to play and enjoy it. Classes change, we must change too.