Summoner and the upcoming changes

[Brinzy]

I guess I can't complain too much, because I just want the class to be fun, but I won't know if it'll be fun. I'm sure we'll be fine numbers-wise, either immediately or HW style where we get buffed for multiple patches. However, I'm much more concerned with the class feeling smooth and not being terribly boring. Of course, what's fun is subjective, but things like Aetherflow being a bit clunky with Aethertrail, this awful damage boosting utility we have, and a few other things makes me feel a bit nervous for the class feeling like it has proper flow.

I'll get max level and practice my opener/rotation until I get it down perfectly, just like this time around... and then I'll pass judgment. I'll hang on until then and be as positive as I can reasonably be.

[CecMiller]

Snip.

This is my main concern too. Although I do have some salt over the AOE changes. They nerfed deathflare man. DEATHFLARE D: You can take my bane, my shadowflare, my blizzard 2 but don't you dare touch my baby D:

To be fair the ability was OP as a summoner main. The 400 potency with no reduction was insane. But god damn, it was so satisfying. It's still there, but it'd not the same yo.

I've played summoner a lot in creator savage and I can't help but feel like the class will feel incredibly boring to play with the changes just by knowing the "feel" of the class from those fights.

[Shadowzanon]

Summoners can have 3 dots up in SB by taking the break spell from the new class abilities. since we spam ruin 1, being able to cast break is not a problem, putting our dot dps to the same it is in HW. Yes i know the other casters can take the same spell, but seeing how tight their rotations are, they are unlikely to take it. the healers might be taking break since they dont have a real dps rotation if they wanna add more dots.

[ThirdKeyOfSun]

Summoners can have 3 dots up in SB by taking the break spell from the new class abilities

Did they alter Break to have damage over time? Last I saw it was one time damage with a heavy debuff? It would say "damage over time" or "additional effect damage over time" if that were the case. Sorry, I am out of the loop on this one D:

[Shadowzanon]

Did they alter Break to have damage over time? Last I saw it was one time damage with a heavy debuff? It would say "damage over time" or "additional effect damage over time" if that were the case. Sorry, I am out of the loop on this one D:

I may have confused myself. i cannot find the recent mtq capture video that showed it but you are probably right and i glanced it.

[Dyvid]

This is why the developers should ignore everything the English forums speak about. Constant negativity and naysay before we even touch the product. You cannot know how things will pan out until you actually play it. If they are recalculating potency formulas or gameplay we know only text and a few playtests. Nothing truly constructive.

Ugh, there is always one of these guys. Well the JPN board are saying the same things so it's not just those annoying "English" ruining your forum experience.

So I have a question, with the massive nerf to bane, would it not be more effective to just hard cast our DoTs on multiple targets? I mean, we only have 2 now and 1 is instant cast. What kind of damage is it even gonna do with 80% knocked off it?

On topic, these could be an option, one i used before Bane in 2.0. It gets harder the more mobs you add but I'll try it out just for the sake of trying.

[Ashua]

Ugh, there is always one of these guys. Well the JPN board are saying the same things so it's not just those annoying "English" ruining your forum experience.

On topic, these could be an option, one i used before Bane in 2.0. It gets harder the more mobs you add but I'll try it out just for the sake of trying.

Id rather be one of those types then scream the sky is falling with knee jerk reactions.

[Deceptus]

Everyone focuses on one class or one role with this expansion... when you look at everything as a whole its pretty clear they want to break up the current meta... tanks are more tank focused, healers are more heal focused and dps are losing damage buffs and aoe potency.... no more grabbing a whole dungeon and just popping some self heals while everyone aoe Dps the mobs to ash.... which I'm fine with...

So basically they're trying to make everything take longer to do and draw out the expansion. Got it.

[Mnemosynia]

So basically they're trying to make everything take longer to do and draw out the expansion. Got it.

Don't worry ill pull the entire dungeon anyways, i got this shield i didn't ask for so may aswell use it. On subject SMN seems fine i think the added pet dps made up for the dot loses in a real fight remember you have you cast times and movement pets are always attacking so there dps uptime is greater then yours etc etc.

[RyanRebs]

I have yet to be disappointed with the changes. I think it will be just fine. Afterall we didnt get whitemaged. I imagine our Bio and Bio2 potency are now combined to a instant cast more powerful one so. Stay positive. remember bahamut clones our skills we use with Autos. . Do i here Astro casting speed cards coming while Bahamut is up for tons of DPS?