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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    The reason Soul Eater is nerfed
    You realize that 10% of a Souleater in Grit is like 300 HP right? That may as well not even be there. Medica 2 ticks heal for more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Fury View Post
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    The question isn't whether DRK will be interesting or fun to play or optimize, its about how it is hands down the worst tank now, only giving WAR a bit of competition in the utility department.

    People cried way too hard about PLD and yet when they kept buffing its DPS throughout the 3.x series, people REPEATEDLY said "this isn't want this job needs". So they buffed it even HARDER, took most/all of the other tanks' utility away, and doubled PLD's raid mitigation potential. PLD's DPS was 4-5% behind DRK and about 13% behind WAR (and that's not even taking slashing into account). Now, PLD is 25% ahead of both of them. and it brings better mitigation (it has zero cooldowns now that only work on one type of damage unlike the other two), and better utility.

    I don't think its really fully hit everyone yet, I'm still soaking it up. IDK how much incompetence from the balancing team we are expected to take.
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    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 06-16-2017 at 08:20 AM.

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    Claire Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    You realize that 10% of a Souleater in Grit is like 300 HP right? That may as well not even be there.
    I'm aware of this.
    Soul eater was already bad in how effective it was at healing us before.
    But honestly, we hardly ever used it, as we only did it with DA.

    So how many combos do we go through, before we ever use it, and get healed by it?
    (Too lazy to do the math, but my guess would be around or less than 30% of the time, so it could more accurately equate a 30% heal per combo, or less. Where as now its a 10% heal per combo, or less, depending on threat combos)

    Again, the other factor is how they made all DA GCDs give +140 potency with DA.
    Which would be rather pointless, if Soul Eater healed for more, as it not only adds +140 potency, it also heals for that extra potency.
    (Its still the better option, even if it heals 1 more HP in the end.)

    I'm not saying I agree with their decision, I'm just saying why.
    DRK is actually one of the most well designed tanks atm, but its nearly the worst when compared to what the other tanks are capable of right now.
    (And that they took away some of our fun toys from 3.x)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

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    Blackheart Kasuragi
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    I'm aware of this.
    Soul eater was already bad in how effective it was at healing us before.
    But honestly, we hardly ever used it, as we only did it with DA.
    I can't personally speak for everyone, but i used soul eater ALOT. Once i had enough emity, it was part of my main rotation. But again, i can't speak for everyone...
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    Will Brannigan
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by eagledorf View Post
    Interesting note, it appears Equilibrium may no longer heal when in Deliverance. They seem to want to limit self-healing while tanking. PLD also suffers a gauge penalty if they self-heal in ShO.
    Equilibrium always restored TP instead of healing in Deliverance, I thought.
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    Devi Copperhawk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brannigan View Post
    Equilibrium always restored TP instead of healing in Deliverance, I thought.
    Yea that's exactly what it did.
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    My bad, I got too excited looking through the datamine trying to find changes. Equilibrium healing is already Defiance-only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
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    "Its garbage, so lets make it more garbage" is a poor thought-process on the part of the dev team. If anything it should have been buffed to make up for DRK's pitiful self-healing.
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    Espikes Darkwind
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    "Its garbage, so lets make it more garbage" is a poor thought-process on the part of the dev team. If anything it should have been buffed to make up for DRK's pitiful self-healing.
    Let's not forget it takes us at least 3 GCDS and MP just to get to that 100%, and isn't even usable outside of our tanking stance, which makes me question even more why the change is happening. PLD and WAR may have resources they need to use their self heal, but not as much as DRK did, with even less potency..

    Granted it's now our only DPS rotation, it's not like it was ground breaking...
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    Daniel Fury
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    The question isn't whether DRK will be interesting or fun to play or optimize, its about how it is hands down the worst tank now, only giving WAR a bit of competition in the utility department.
    I didn't say fun. I said I'm not going to judge until we see content. There's so much unknown, new stats and new weights that we don't know much about.
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