XIV on Switch and Xbox

[Kosmos992k]

The point of my statement if you read the conversation is simple. The PS3 was not the major reason for ARR's zones being smaller than 1.0, it was several major reasons, which I pointed out 2 critical ones. The user I was responding to clearly did not follow the development of ARR regarding zone redesign.

You are mixing 2 of my points together when they are separate.

- Server side checks were considered in the Zone redesign as players actively engage in them which does put loads on the servers and the addition stress of the new FATE System.

- My visuals statement wasn't regarding the server at all. It specifically talked about more detailed zones and less use of texture instancing. Compared to 1.0s large zones, with few details and a massive overuse of texture instancing.

Please explain how it is then, that the much, much larger zones of HW work with PS3, since you categorically say that the smaller, and more lively, zones of ARR are the 'fault' of PS3.

[dragorian]

Microsoft announced that project scorpio named Xbox one x and this will be the last Xbox as this will be branded as an living room friendly pc. This will allow cross server game play with Xbox,pc and ps4 more info E3. So I am going to speculate that by 5.0 we will see ffxiv on Xbox 10s. When this happens I will ditch ps4 I want an game console that is an living room friendly pc and I can't justify having ps4 and 4k player.

[Tonkra]

Sorry, but the only fanboy I see here is you, considering how you're getting heated at someone arguing that the least powerful console of this generation might not have the juice to run Stormblood comfortably, which is a very realistic outlook, mind you.

So it makes me a Switch fanboy owning a PS4 and a PC but not a Nintendo Switch, seems quiet interesting.
Moreover i see here a discussion of "PC is master race" fanboys, though i would call myself a PC player i dislike this stance hardly.

Im "heating" against him because he uses bullshit "alternative facts".. Switch is as weak as PS3 blabla, just only if you compare the RAM etc. it comes clear that his behaviour is just hating or pc /Ps4 fanboyism. Also that the Switch loses 60% of performance while in handheld mode is a complete lie..

That was what i was saying. And sorry to say but FFXIV (after ARR) isnt really a garant for highend graphics... It was being made in the mind of pleasing PS3 players and players with mid/lowend PC hardware

Factually wrong. PS3 has 512MB of memory hard partitioned into two pools of 256MB.

Which still is 7-8 less than on the switch

Are you certain that the coolers are in the switch itself?

And you are you capable of reading carefully? All i said was "the only thing the docking station provides is electricity so that the coolers of the Nintendo switch turn on permenantly so then the processor can increase its performance".

Sometimes in handheld mode it also turns on but thats very rare. In Docking mode the performance of the processing unit/gpu goes up in order to provide a higher resolution, this produces more heat and therefore the cooler in the Nintendo Switch turns on and runs on a more permanent basis.

See, it's that last paragraph that kills your credibility in this discussion, that and obviously false assertions in your opening paragraph.

Which false assertions please?

to put FFXIV on a device that demonstrably weak device that more approximately matches the power and capability of last generation than this.

FFXIV was originally made for the last generation.. additionally as i said one hundred times before the switch isnt as weak as the ps3.. especially when it comes to ram.

FFXIV' graphics arent that impressive to be called next gen, seriously. Moreover i would have said this to FFXIV 1.0. graphics.

The fanboy discussion going on here is the one where people are suggesting that SE should make the compromises needed

As i said i dont even own the Switch right now, i did. All i own is a PC and a PS4. Makes me a fanboy interesting.

Moreover i'd say we handle here with nintendo switch haters or pc fanboys "all runs better on pc bitches"...and i would call myself a pc player too.

Perhaps you could provide quotes from the development documentation to support your assertion?

As i said you can read this in every hardware check in Zelda Botw reviews for example, that e.g. Zelda Botw runs much smoother on handheld mode than on television. Im not saying that every game on switch runs smoother in handheld mode.

and the unit is partially enclosed in the docking unit, without some cooling in the dock itself, heat would build up in the unit.

tthe cooler turns significantly on in the Nintendo Switch in Dock mode because it is firstly provided by higher electricity via Docking station, then to improve its GPU/CPU performance / clock speed in order to increase the resolution.. which again causes much more heat - therefore the cooler runs at a higher frequency... not due to possible heat accumaltion....
there is even 0,5 mm to 1 cm space in between the switch and the dock and the cooling slots being on the top of the switch.. so i doubt that being "enclosed" in the dock station would be the main reason for that. The main reason is higher clock speed.

its the same effect which you have when you outperform your notebook or whatsoever.. the cooling system will go significantly up if you run a highend game on a weak PC/Notebook as well. Same for the switch when it has to improve its resolution to HD


This is how the docking mode works and why the coolers turn on significantly (while this was before the switch came out the reason why the coolers of the switch handheld go up is correct):


higher clock speed in Dock mode to improve the resolution up to max. HD > more heat > cooler activity goes straightly up

[ReplicaX]

Please explain how it is then, that the much, much larger zones of HW work with PS3, since you categorically say that the smaller, and more lively, zones of ARR are the 'fault' of PS3.

Reread my comments. The majority of my statements follow the different design approach for ARR & HW the DEV Team decided on compared to 1.0 and not the major issue being "PS3 Limits". The HW zones use different graphics techniques and smarter use of texture instancing. You can see the reduction of unique textures with a HW zone vs an ARR zone.

So it makes me a Switch fanboy owning a PS4 and a PC but not a Nintendo Switch, seems quiet interesting

You had no issue using your hatred label making of fanboy-ism on others though. Also what you own or not doesn't define a fanboy.

The questions in this thread have been answered and there is no new info unless there is something in store for E3. "Please look forward to it"

[Abriael]

So it makes me a Switch fanboy owning a PS4 and a PC but not a Nintendo Switch, seems quiet interesting.
Moreover i see here a discussion of "PC is master race" fanboys, though i would call myself a PC player i dislike this stance hardly.

Im "heating" against him because he uses bullshit "alternative facts".. Switch is as weak as PS3 blabla, just only if you compare the RAM etc. it comes clear that his behaviour is just hating or pc /Ps4 fanboyism. Also that the Switch loses 60% of performance while in handheld mode is a complete lie..

Getting heated over this kind of stuff is a clear mark of a fanboy. Having wrong info isn't.

That was what i was saying. And sorry to say but FFXIV (after ARR) isnt really a garant for highend graphics... It was being made in the mind of pleasing PS3 players and players with mid/lowend PC hardware

Stormblood has very dense environments, which is why the PS3 has been dropped. The lack of instancing in FFXIV means that the hardware requirements to display a high (and rather unpredictableì) number of characters in high density environments aren't low.

The game does not use "high end graphics" for single details, but comes with very high visual density, which do tax the hardware. From what we have seen so far, visual density isn't something the switch handles very well.

[era1Ne]

Xbox has been notorious with cross server play and lifting the requirements of Xbox Live. I think some of you have seriously never played on a Xbox console, their strict requirements date back to the original Xbox, this is going to be a bit of a history lesson. When Sega released Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 and 2 on Xbox, the game was required to have Xbox Live, plus a Hunters License, it's online service fee. Sega gave the green light for this, released the game, but stopped supporting it because of Xbox wanting to charge for updates, players got annoyed at the lack of updates and eventually started to hack the game, they were able to bring over Dreamcast items, that were planned to be released in content updates, as well as found files that suggested that Sega was considering bringing over Episode 4 to Xbox as a final expansion, instead that was scrapped and it was released as Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst, as a PC only release.

Microsoft has continued to do this, and even stopped the Xbox 360 version of The Orange Box from using steam servers, they also prevented Portal 2 from again being cross play. Sony actually allowed cross play before Xbox ever did and way before any of this started to come back into the main stream with Portal 2.

Microsoft and Sony did anti consumers decision regarding cross play and imo - as a fan of gaming in general - this needs to stop. Sony refused to agree and minecraft as one example isn't cross play with ps4, while you can play basically with every plattform together soon. There is also something going on with Dragon Quest X from Square Enix...

So the PS4 version costs more per month than the other versions, and you can't use the same sub to play on (Wii U/PC/Switch) and PS4 because they're not compatible. Awful.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...9&postcount=42
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=45
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https://www.polygon.com/2013/10/14/4...-ripstone-says
A chess game, cross play between smartphone, wiiu, ... and they did talk with sony about the restrictions in place. As far as i am aware, cross play never happend with ps4.

[Malzian]

Microsoft and Sony did anti consumers decision regarding cross play and imo - as a fan of gaming in general - this needs to stop.

Actually, in this case, it's not a disagreement between Sony and Microsoft but a disagreement between Yoshida and Microsoft. MS has 2 things that Yoshi-P is against right now: 1) MS wants dedicated, private, XBox-only servers which Yoshi-P will not agree to. 2) MS wants to require XBox Live Gold (the pay-for version) to play FFXIV which will cost consumers more to play the game over the PC and PS4 players.

Right now Sony is sitting back going, "You guys hash it out between yourselves, we'll just be sitting here letting XIV's customers bolster or numbers."

[era1Ne]

Actually, in this case, it's not a disagreement between Sony and Microsoft but a disagreement between Yoshida and Microsoft.

I am fully aware of this and did say in the sentence you quoted that both companies did anti consumer decision about cross play (and ofc about other topics). This was the last time yoshi talked about ff14 on xbox one or switch...

When it comes to the challenges of creating versions for both the Switch and the Xbox One, Yoshida said the following, making mention that it could be a while before any substantial progress is made in the matter:

“We need to make sure Nintendo and Microsoft understand what we do and have them know about our online and QA regulations,” Yoshida explained. “We believe these conversations will take a long time.”

http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/06...ake-long-time/

[Ogulbuk]

I'm totally not trolling here but didn't we just get rid of the ps3 for power reasons?

Wish this line of thinking died already. I think he has been asked a lot about this and clarified it's not dropped due to power reasons, but because it was too much work to support for a platform with such a shrinking user base. Add to that that Sony just announced recently the PS3 is not going to be produced and sold anymore in Japan, something SE likely knew for a while now.

[LalaRu]

As long as Switch can play the game smooth, it is welcome. It is intended to play games. Focusing much in tech specs makes you lose the whole picture. If xiv plays smooth, and no limitations because the ps3 Switch cannot handle this or that, then the console is ok.