WHM might be meta

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If you're using Eos, you're losing dps by not having Fey Wind, which is already a dps loss on it's own. Party wide shields might be nice, but they aren't a deal-breaker, and WHM can still single target shield at the same gcd cost as a SCH, so that's also moot.

[Mahkii]

If you're using Eos, you're losing dps by not having Fey Wind, which is already a dps loss on it's own. Party wide shields might be nice, but they aren't a deal-breaker, and WHM can still single target shield at the same gcd cost as a SCH, so that's also moot.

Its your personal loss, but not the group's. For the group, this is a gain.

oh i know. but for example, in a10s speedkills scholars usually use whispering dawn like 20 seconds into the fight and that way both healers can have 100% cleric stance uptime during the first phase. however, asylum has the same effect. in fact, i have a run of a10s where both me and a white mage have 97 percentile parses without any food or pots.

if 4.0 whm existed right now, a9s speedruns would bring a whm since itd have way better aoe damage, as well as assize which both heals and deals damage, and also asylum which would alleviate heals from the ast.


as i see it, dps optimization for healers is really dependent on the fight, which means that while scholar's tools could be amazing in one fight, white mage might be able to do about the same in some fights while bringing more dps.

you can stack medii and asp helios too btw

You would be stacking medii 2 and asp helios at the cost of shields, but I respect that you know what you're talking about.

[Maltothoris]

If you're using Eos, you're losing dps by not having Fey Wind, which is already a dps loss on it's own.

Here's the thing. Speedkills use eos. Cause ultimately, fey wind is about a 1-3 percent raid increase in dps. This doesn't outweigh the dps that both healers could be doing.

Here's a personal example. With groups that use Selene on A10S, we've seen that adds. On groups that I've done with Eos, we kill the boss even before the adds showed up and this was before eos. Whispering Dawn is techically a spell despite being on a 60 second CD. SO it benefits from rouse and fey illumination which makes whipsering dawn 50-60 percent stronger. It makes it better than the WHM asylum. That is why while speedkills open with selene, they switch to eos right as the fight begins.