WHM might be meta

[Risvertasashi]

While you're not the first to note WHM's strength in DPS... Thanks for the detailed post. Supposing this does get WHM a meta spot. SE sees the job as a pure healer. How much stock do you want to put in it staying like this?

And of course, utility isn't purely raid damage. It's also things like the fairy healing with no GCD and MP cost. It's the ability to weave lustrates without losing a GCD. And so on. But then, Virus is going the way of the dodo. And for all that WHM may still be the stronger DPSer.

Also honestly? Fuck the lilies. Nobody in their right mind is going to waste gcds in cures to proc lilies. Stop acting as if the lilies are detrimental to the job.

They ARE detrimental to the job... precisely because it's a deadweight mechanic. DPS output might carry white mage... but that doesn't mean baggage isn't baggage.

[QooEr]

And of course, utility isn't purely raid damage. It's also things like the fairy healing with no GCD and MP cost. It's the ability to weave lustrates without losing a GCD. And so on. But then, Virus is going the way of the dodo. And for all that WHM may still be the stronger DPSer.


They ARE detrimental to the job... precisely because it's a deadweight mechanic. DPS output might carry white mage... but that doesn't mean baggage isn't baggage.

i get what you say about the fairy healing, but if no mitigation is needed, double regens work wonders (especially since whm has asylum), plus other dps have virus, which makes scholar only have sacred soil and fey covenant. i honestly cant think of many fights where those two are actually needed

and no, the lilies arent detrimental. reducing cooldowns isnt a bad thing. pretty useless? yes, it is pretty useless. but its not like the lilies actually harm whm (unless youre that guy fishing for procs, which is 100% your fault)

[Risvertasashi]

and no, the lilies arent detrimental. reducing cooldowns isnt a bad thing. pretty useless? yes, it is pretty useless. but its not like the lilies actually harm whm (unless youre that guy fishing for procs, which is 100% your fault)

Do you remember learning about opportunity cost in your basic economics class?

Lilies are harmful because of the opportunity cost.

WHM had a chance to increase in power in various ways, similar to the new capabilities SCH and AST gained. What WHM got was... lilies.

[QooEr]

Do you remember learning about opportunity cost in your basic economics class?

Lilies are harmful because of the opportunity cost.

WHM had a chance to increase in power in various ways, similar to the new capabilities SCH and AST gained. What WHM got was... lilies.

i do agree whm is in a very sorry spot. the point of this thread was that Regardless of it, whm can dish out numbers big enough to compensate

[Gemina]

Do you remember learning about opportunity cost in your basic economics class?

Lilies are harmful because of the opportunity cost.

WHM had a chance to increase in power in various ways, similar to the new capabilities SCH and AST gained. What WHM got was... lilies.

I know the lily mechanic leaves an air of skepticism due to the tool tips that were released, but just because WHM didn't get something all cool and flashy like Earthly Star doesn't mean the lily mechanic will be dead on arrival. We don't know, and won't know the extent of their power in fresh content until we get our hands on SB, so please just stop with this already.

OP, thanks for putting in that time and effort, and looking for windows for WHM to be brought back into the meta. That is a hell of a lot more than the constant griping, and doomsaying over the last couple weeks.