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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by enthauptet View Post
    Okay I am just going to assume you don't know anything about software development and leave it at that.
    LOL, if you want to do this, OK.
    1. Xbox uses an embedded version of Windows, think shoehorning the Windows behemoth into an embedded platform, it's not running Windows 10, you can't install Windows 10 on it.
    2. You are making the mistake of equating market presence with openness. Windows is a highly proprietary, closed OS owned by Microsoft. Microsoft is using Windows on Xbox in order to try to drag PCs and Xbox together so that they can run the same games on both, and falsely claim multi-platform openness.
    3. PS4 system software is a version of FreeBSD which is in fact an OPEN source OS.

    As it happens I am a developer and I am fully aware of Microsoft's well documented and proven history of anti competitive practices, and closed systems primarily related to Windows itself, but also other products of theirs such as Office. MS is also a master of "FUD" - fear, uncertainty and doubt; which is uses to seed doubt and fear in the minds of customers considering competing platforms.

    Yes Windows is near ubiquitous on PCs, but that market presence does not in any way indicate openness on the part of Microsoft as a software developer, platform holder or corporation.

    I was laughing at your naive implication that MS is open because they embedded Windows on Xbox, even upgrading to "windows 10" because Windows is far from open and Microsoft themselves are even further from open. Microsoft have repeatedly used their market presence to eliminate competitors, competing standards and open standards. Please understand, this isn't an opinion of mine it's documented fact.

    Microsoft operate on a policy of Embrace, extend and extinguish. This policy follows the general course of MS identifying a segment they want to dominate, they launch a product and appear to embrace all the existing standards and conventions of the segment. Then Microsoft extends their offering, adding proprietary extensions to what was once an open standard or an industry standard accepted by all. Finally, using their overwhelming market presence, Microsoft marginalizes competitors that cannot support those proprietary standards by creating false comparisons showing their extended products in a favorable light, and locking competitors out either by keeping their systems closed or charging prohibitively high license fees to use their new 'standard'. This ultimately forces competitors out and extinguishes them leaving Microsoft as the predominant player in the segment.

    The idea that Microsoft should be held as an example of openness compared to anyone is laughable.

    Now that is done, feel free to assume anything you like about my professional abilities, though assuming I don't know anything about software development would be a massively wrong assumption to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
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    Honestly I brought my point up for laughs but people seem personally vested in Sony and/or Microsoft for some reason which I have no idea. I did make a douchey post so sorry about that I was snarky and I shouldn't have been. I have both consoles and use windows and mac computers so I don't give a damn. I read some articles regarding development since the PS4 and XBOX ONE have been released and it does look like Sony is now more open than Microsoft for development. This was absolutely completely opposite case back on PS2/Xbox and PS3/Xbox 360 design. Your point seems to be that MS is anti-competitive and it is definitely the case lol but that's not what I was going at.

    Anyway regarding your points since you brought them up, having a locked boot process has 0 to do with what your system can run. Old Power IBMs and Macs both used openfirmware but you couldn't run AIX on a mac or Mac OS on a P series IBM yet they ran the same hardware...and DEC Alphastations were the same exact thing for the Tru64 and Windows NT version the only difference was one allowed you to boot one the other you could boot both. Also, FreeBSD is free however the reason they use it is because you can modify the code and don't have to release it as you would with something licensed with the GPL. Also their graphics stack is proprietary so it's not really a good example. (yeah I know directx is proprietary but you can get a book at the library for it I mean readily available). This is just me rambling and going on about things lol. I used to be a bit of a computer collector so I've had all sorts of crazy stuff.

    PS4 probably has a bigger market overall, but Xbox is still a very solid market here.
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