Yes, 4.0 Dragoon is TOO simple

[Valenth]

Truth be told, I didn't feel like it was simplified too much at all nor do I think many jobs have been dumbed down. Sure, the bottom is raised and doing basic DPS is easier these days, but I'm really sure (especially looking at SAM's possibilities) we'll be fine.

Anyway, we'll cross that bridge when we get there no? Let's not panic based on the things we've seen so far and reserve final judgement until we actually get to play it. Panicking like your life depends on it isn't a good thing to do about a videogame anyway.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Honestly, what is "too simple" and "too complex" is up to each individual.
It will be too simple for YOU, but you cant decide what is too simple for everyone. (nor does simplicity/complexity in this situation, scale left to right, as it goes in multiple directions.)

The real issue, is that you're like me, in that we are losing the job we loved, and the gameplay is going to disappear, never to be seen again.
The arguement shouldnt be "its too easy now!" but instead, "how do we get to play the game we loved again?"

would be nice to see both styles somehow possible (my only guess is the WoW class spec system) the best you can argue is having what you like back in some form.

[SinisterJoints]

I wonder if left and right eye stack. I.e. can we use it on another dragoon?? 15% dmg up. Im interested to test this out.

[thegreatonemal]

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You'd have a point if your and the rest that agrees with your argument was something other than " Omg we don't lose ten seconds off blood for using gerik anymore! The class is easy mode!! Oh no!!!."

Reality check: the class was never hard no class in a GCD syle mmo ever is without adding in artificial difficulty. the only real change to our class was instead of getting out as many gierk as you can its now about getting into life of the dragon as often as you can. So same thing basically different name stop whining.

For those who were saying drg did not flow or made no sense with pleb. You are wrong the class flowed just fine if you had problems with it blame your hotbar set up.

[Aeliott]

I welcome the changes to Dragoon. Yes the core rotation is simpler and there's less to juggle, but it still has a system that offers finesse for the most skilled players to take advantage of. Most of the complications lost from 3.X were plain irritating, and didn't even feel that rewarding when done right as opposed to say, MCH or BLM.

[Claire_Pendragon]

You'd have a point if your and the rest that agrees with your argument was something other than " Omg we don't lose ten seconds off blood for using gerik anymore! The class is easy mode!! Oh no!!!."

Reality check: the class was never hard no class in a GCD syle mmo ever is without adding in artificial difficulty. the only real change to our class was instead of getting out as many gierk as you can its now about getting into life of the dragon as often as you can. So same thing basically different name stop whining.

For those who were saying drg did not flow or made no sense with pleb. You are wrong the class flowed just fine if you had problems with it blame your hotbar set up.

I'm not arguing what you're suggesting.
(Or at least I'm getting the impression your statement is in opposition to what I'm saying, but I'm not trying to say its harder or easier. I honestly dont know if I find it easier or harder, since I found DRG to be boring in 2.0 and 3.0. Some people classify DRG 3.0 as one of the harder DPS to play, but to me it seemed pretty straightforward, and easier than some of the so called "easy" DPS jobs. But I'm not necessarily like most people when it comes to what is hard or easy to me. The job I'm losing out on is the current DRK playstyle, which I enjoy, and would like some tweeks, but not in the direction they are taking it currently.)

[thegreatonemal]

I think for many the rhythm created with the relationship between the use of Geirskogul and the Draconic empowerment are enjoyable indeed! For me it is not whether the job is easy or difficult, but rather the greater simplicity may bring less enjoyment in the pursuit of mastery~!

The new Dragon Eye are unusable unless we possess four, and if the enemy leaves before we have accumulated 4, it is very likely that almost 1 minute of work is wasted. This is exacerbated that there appear to be no control that Dragoons have other than relying on the timing of jump attacks to generate jump attacks. It is a linear sequence that requires no critical thinking anymore. We simply perform our normal sequence and then use the red Geirskogul as quickly as possible~

Neither did managing gerik which is what I'm trying to get you to see you pop it off whenever you have above 21 seconds and you know there are no upcoming mechanics which is a moot point after the first time since every single enemy in the game is on a clock and does the same thing at the same time every single time. So you wasting stacking eyes and the boss jumps away is purely player fault. While i love this job im not going to say that it requires some advanced skill to play merely the ability to memorize when stuff happens and what you can and can't get away with nothing more nothing less.

[Ayerinn]

Lots of people didn't even play drg because of it's long and ridiculous combos, people don't like playing an accountant job, they would prefer something more slimmed down.

Every single job is being dumbed down by a large margin, you have to accept that there just isn't very many smart mmo players, they like to be lazy and just press whatever lights up first, and that is why stuff is changing, to help support that.

Don't confuse dumb/lazy vs desire for lack of needlessly long and/or tedious combat rotations in a game...there is a difference.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

Not seeing an issue with jobs being made easier to play.

[Nerva3xO]

I have similar fears for DRG, and all jobs really. But, another part of me wants to say its a little bit of over reacting, and fear of change. Like most issues in life its probably a mixture of both. You can not deny the jobs have been stripped of some actions, its obviously a fact. With out setting down and playing the 4.0 DRG, and just basing my opinions on theory, speculation and the info we have, I feel the rotation breaks down to a similar complexity level as before. And you have to keep in mind attacking a dummy is boring. The complexity of even the current rotations really comes in during raid encounters imo.

I think Geirskogul being changed to not eat time off BoTD is a mistake, it did imo add something to the class, knowing when to hold off on using it because of a transition or whatever. That being said I feel we will still have similar situations with the Life of The Dragon. Other things like when to use Blood for Blood like before