This is just appalling

[Miste]

From how it was phrased in another question in Live Letter and other instances, Yoshida is not involved in the Mogstation at all.

Hmm but I am wondering if that is altogether the 100% truth though....He IS the producer and director of the game...to not have any influence or power over the cash shop of that game seems a bit suspicious.

Not that it definitely is a fib or anything...just you can't always believe every thing people say especially when it comes to businesses...they may fib or little white lie to keep business practices secret. (Source: working for companies irl and hearing these "little white lies" on a daily basis when it comes to keeping customers happy or reassured.)

[JunseiKei]

Hmm but I am wondering if that is altogether the 100% truth though....He IS the producer and director of the game...to not have any influence or power over the cash shop of that game seems a bit suspicious.

Not that it definitely is a fib or anything...just you can't always believe every thing people say especially when it comes to businesses...they may fib or little white lie to keep business practices secret. (Source: working for companies irl and hearing these "little white lies" on a daily basis when it comes to keeping customers happy or reassured.)

I thought that as well. Until I sat back and thought how the Mogstation is completely sterile from the game and would require someone who is focused on following player trends. The only things I could see that would involve Yoshida getting into this field would be items that directly affect the game. Things like jump potions (to which we have a thread with his responses on the topic).

[NolLacnala]

Blade & Soul outfits sell for $15

Blade and Soul is probably the worst game you could use to defend cash shops, as currency exchange allows you to buy anything from the cash shop using in-game gold (Including character slots and their version of Fantasia)

Also note that the normal price point for costumes is $12, which sometimes dips to $8 when they go on sale. $15 is the outlier and normally includes other items or hair.

[Kaonis]

Honestly I would be less annoyed about the cash shop if those items were just in the game with another route to get them. Gold Saucer being the obvious option as its fairly devoid of rewards after you get the couple things you want.

But the fact that so much is placed in a cash shop for a subscription based game, where it's give them more money or bust, is what's fairly insulting.

[Belhi]

For the love of..

THESE GLAMOUR ITEMS WOULDNT BE IN THE GAME AT ALL AS NO RESOURCES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON DEVELOPING THEM IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE CASH SHOP! YOUR SUB IS NOT THE SOURCE OF REVINUE PAYING FOR THEIR CREATION!

/sigh

Look. I get its disappointing. I wanted the Fuga attire too and its out of my budget. However your sub doesn't cover the cost of making the non seasonal glamour items in the Mogstation. To say they should have them available for free in game is the equivalent of saying they should give you stuff you haven't paid for for free. People like to call SE greedy but how is that mindset any less greedy?

Saying 'oh they are probably just lying about it' without any actual factual basis isn't just hearsay, it is rude as hell. The Mogstation is a valuable additional revenue stream that doesn't negatively impact the product that those paying a subscription get which allows Yoshi P to justify arguing for more investment into the infrastructure of the game like, you know, server upgrades.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Hmm but I am wondering if that is altogether the 100% truth though....He IS the producer and director of the game...to not have any influence or power over the cash shop of that game seems a bit suspicious.

Not that it definitely is a fib or anything...just you can't always believe every thing people say especially when it comes to businesses...they may fib or little white lie to keep business practices secret. (Source: working for companies irl and hearing these "little white lies" on a daily basis when it comes to keeping customers happy or reassured.)

I imagine Yoshida advises what players have interest in, such as the Krile outfit, but is otherwise wholly separated from the pricing aspect. Most DLC is handled by either a portion of the development team or a subsidiary. I wouldn't be surprised if MMO cash shops function similarly.

Blade and Soul is probably the worst game you could use to defend cash shops, as currency exchange allows you to buy anything from the cash shop using in-game gold (Including character slots and their version of Fantasia)

Also note that the normal price point for costumes is $12, which sometimes dips to $8 when they go on sale. $15 is the outlier and normally includes other items or hair.

So does WoW yet that doesn't stop people vilifying it. Blade & Soul adds substantially more to their cash shop and promotes a very heavy grind style of gameplay whereas FFXIV has only a handful of truly unique items. Mogstation sales are similar. They've had Sleipnir on sale for 50% annually.

[Ama_Hamada]

For the love of..

THESE GLAMOUR ITEMS WOULDNT BE IN THE GAME AT ALL AS NO RESOURCES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON DEVELOPING THEM IF THEY WEREN'T IN THECASH SHOP! YOUR SUB IS NOT THE SOURCE OF REVINUE PAYING FOR THEIR CREATION!

/sigh

Look. I get its disappointing. I wanted the Fuga attire too and its out of my budget. However your sub doesn't cover the cost of making the non seasonal glamour items in the Mogstation. To say they should have them available for free in game is the equivalent of saying they should give you stuff you haven't paid for for free. People like to call SE greedy but how is that mindset any less greedy?

Saying 'oh they are probably just lying about it' without any actual factual basis isn't just hearsay, it is rude as hell. The Mogstation is a valuable additional revenue stream that doesn't negatively impact the product that those paying a subscription get which allows Yoshi P to justify arguing for more investment into the infrastructure of the game like, you know, server upgrades.

And I repeat again, posts like this make it sound like it costs them something significant for every sale they make (like when you buy food in rl, when someone buys something for 5 dollars or whatever, the next has to be that to cover costs that went to make it again.) You only pay the expenses once, and I get that has a cost, but selling them for 18 dollars on 1 character is a rip off and too high. If they sell them for lower price, more people will buy them. Hell I would buy the krille outfit for 5-10 dollars but why does that have such a huge cost they do not want to risk making it?

[Mature]

People don't understand something very simple:

This is business, if the item is a rip off DONT support it by buying. Once the company KNOWS the item is not performing they will take it down on price. Simple as that

But I CAN GUARANTEE YOU that many of people complaining about the price STILL pay for it and buy it. And that is just sad.

Put your foot down and DON'T BUY. This is something that has been doing on for ages and they know about it. But you all who buy it and have the AUDACITY to complain is too expensive Open their wallets and pay for it.... So what are we talking about here?

[alimdia]

I don't know why people are using f2p or b2p games as comparison, b2p games don't charge you monthly so they need the cash shop to make up for that lack of mandatory subscription, f2p games don't even ask you to buy games or expansions on top of lack of mandatory subscription.

The cash shop is here to stay, but it's rather abusive they are using f2p prices when that's not their business model.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And I repeat again, posts like this make it sound like it costs them something significant for every sale they make (like when you buy food in rl, when someone buys something for 5 dollars or whatever, the next has to be that to cover costs that went to make it again. You only pay the expenses once, and I get that has a cost, but selling them for 18 dollars on 1 character is a rip off and too high. If they sell them for lower price, more people will buy them. Hell I would buy the krille outfit for 5-10 dollars but why does that have such a huge cost they do not want to risk making it?

Because that isn't how businesses work. Looking no further then clothing and shoes, which boast some of the highest mark ups of consumer goods goods in existence. Why? People are willing to pay those prices. Value is entirely subjective. What you deem an inexcusable rip off, someone else rationalizes it as a hobby they're okay spending money on. All Square Enix cares about is profit. Should enough people feel $18 is acceptable, what incentive do they have to charge else? As I mentioned above, if you deem it too expensive, don't buy it. That is the only recourse potential customers have. We can complain all we fancy, but what influences change is an unwillingness to spend money.