This is just appalling

[Belhi]

For the love of..

THESE GLAMOUR ITEMS WOULDNT BE IN THE GAME AT ALL AS NO RESOURCES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON DEVELOPING THEM IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE CASH SHOP! YOUR SUB IS NOT THE SOURCE OF REVINUE PAYING FOR THEIR CREATION!

/sigh

Look. I get its disappointing. I wanted the Fuga attire too and its out of my budget. However your sub doesn't cover the cost of making the non seasonal glamour items in the Mogstation. To say they should have them available for free in game is the equivalent of saying they should give you stuff you haven't paid for for free. People like to call SE greedy but how is that mindset any less greedy?

Saying 'oh they are probably just lying about it' without any actual factual basis isn't just hearsay, it is rude as hell. The Mogstation is a valuable additional revenue stream that doesn't negatively impact the product that those paying a subscription get which allows Yoshi P to justify arguing for more investment into the infrastructure of the game like, you know, server upgrades.

[Ama_Hamada]

For the love of..

THESE GLAMOUR ITEMS WOULDNT BE IN THE GAME AT ALL AS NO RESOURCES WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON DEVELOPING THEM IF THEY WEREN'T IN THECASH SHOP! YOUR SUB IS NOT THE SOURCE OF REVINUE PAYING FOR THEIR CREATION!

/sigh

Look. I get its disappointing. I wanted the Fuga attire too and its out of my budget. However your sub doesn't cover the cost of making the non seasonal glamour items in the Mogstation. To say they should have them available for free in game is the equivalent of saying they should give you stuff you haven't paid for for free. People like to call SE greedy but how is that mindset any less greedy?

Saying 'oh they are probably just lying about it' without any actual factual basis isn't just hearsay, it is rude as hell. The Mogstation is a valuable additional revenue stream that doesn't negatively impact the product that those paying a subscription get which allows Yoshi P to justify arguing for more investment into the infrastructure of the game like, you know, server upgrades.

And I repeat again, posts like this make it sound like it costs them something significant for every sale they make (like when you buy food in rl, when someone buys something for 5 dollars or whatever, the next has to be that to cover costs that went to make it again.) You only pay the expenses once, and I get that has a cost, but selling them for 18 dollars on 1 character is a rip off and too high. If they sell them for lower price, more people will buy them. Hell I would buy the krille outfit for 5-10 dollars but why does that have such a huge cost they do not want to risk making it?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And I repeat again, posts like this make it sound like it costs them something significant for every sale they make (like when you buy food in rl, when someone buys something for 5 dollars or whatever, the next has to be that to cover costs that went to make it again. You only pay the expenses once, and I get that has a cost, but selling them for 18 dollars on 1 character is a rip off and too high. If they sell them for lower price, more people will buy them. Hell I would buy the krille outfit for 5-10 dollars but why does that have such a huge cost they do not want to risk making it?

Because that isn't how businesses work. Looking no further then clothing and shoes, which boast some of the highest mark ups of consumer goods goods in existence. Why? People are willing to pay those prices. Value is entirely subjective. What you deem an inexcusable rip off, someone else rationalizes it as a hobby they're okay spending money on. All Square Enix cares about is profit. Should enough people feel $18 is acceptable, what incentive do they have to charge else? As I mentioned above, if you deem it too expensive, don't buy it. That is the only recourse potential customers have. We can complain all we fancy, but what influences change is an unwillingness to spend money.

[Belhi]

And I repeat again, posts like this make it sound like it costs them something significant for every sale they make (like when you buy food in rl, when someone buys something for 5 dollars or whatever, the next has to be that to cover costs that went to make it again.) You only pay the expenses once, and I get that has a cost, but selling them for 18 dollars on 1 character is a rip off and too high. If they sell them for lower price, more people will buy them. Hell I would buy the krille outfit for 5-10 dollars but why does that have such a huge cost they do not want to risk making it?

I am not a developer. But unless you are accusing Yoshi P of outright lying about it and the existence of the person who makes the decisions, without any basis, it is safe to say there are costs involved and what he said was accurate.

None of this changes the fact that player subs don't pay for these items. The items that subs do pay for are accessible in game for the people who paid those subs. These additional items are created with their development costs factored into their sales projections. They pay for themselves through their sales.

The goods too expensive? Don't buy. The gameplay of the main game isn't crippled or diminished as a result. We have plenty of glamour options in game and continually have more added. There is nothing abusive or unethical or even fundamentally wrong with what they have done. Hell, it might even have been smarter to sell it for a lower price to allow for higher sales or at least have sales occasionally. If that is the case they only do themselves out of money. It's their product. Its up to them what they sell it for. Its not like people cant play or are put at a severe disadvantage if they don't have those items.

Subscription is irrelevant in the pricing as it doesn't factor in one iota to the price or the cost of development.

If the prices where 5 to 10¤ though i would buy it. I like some 0f the stuff. But the current prices are inexcuseably high for a sub game.

What i would wish they did was adopt the Gw2 cash shop system where you with ingame currency can buy gems to buy items from the cashop. This would on one hand allow all items to be earned ingame and fix inflation as the rich gil hoarders get something to spend their fortune one.

That system would require Gil to become purchasable for real money which would be arguably pay to win since the top level crafting gear is BiS at the launch of a raid teir until people upgrade to the actual raid gear. Without screwing over crafters, I am not sure how this could be implemented.

[Enur]

That system would require Gil to become purchasable for real money which would be arguably pay to win since the top level crafting gear is BiS at the launch of a raid teir until people upgrade to the actual raid gear. Without screwing over crafters, I am not sure how this could be implemented.

They could do it without offering the gems to gil conversion. This would just make the cashshop one gigantic gil sink where its either gil or Irl money. This of course runs the risk of the devs making more and more expensive cashshop gear in order to make people play longer and farm gil, but tbh, people are already farming their butt off for loads of gil.

[Moonlite]

For the love of..

Saying 'oh they are probably just lying about it' without any actual factual basis isn't just hearsay, it is rude as hell. The Mogstation is a valuable additional revenue stream that doesn't negatively impact the product that those paying a subscription get which allows Yoshi P to justify arguing for more investment into the infrastructure of the game like, you know, server upgrades.

Proof that the Mogstation/Sub has not been a cash funnel into other SE resources is on the people who defend. Not on the people who argue against it. You say it is ok Because it goes into the game or doesn't cover current development. Is their any proof 100% of my sub goes into the game? Any proof that 100% of my cash shop purchase (ie 1) went back into the game. Infrastructure improvements are not a sign. They literally (yes literally) might not have had any choice but to upgrade or face catastrophic sub loss.

Also F2P games come up a lot, also WoW comes up as well. Other games that gouge (Expansion cost = A couple Outfits = gouging) have other in game ways to earn cash shop items. Stop the complaints and create an in game system to earn the items. In other games this also greatly lowered RMT systems.

[savageink]

Proof that the Mogstation/Sub has not been a cash funnel into other SE resources is on the people who defend. Not on the people who argue against it. You say it is ok Because it goes into the game or doesn't cover current development. Is their any proof 100% of my sub goes into the game? Any proof that 100% of my cash shop purchase (ie 1) went back into the game. Infrastructure improvements are not a sign. They literally (yes literally) might not have had any choice but to upgrade or face catastrophic sub loss.

There will never be proof that 100% of your sub went into the game because it doesn't. Anybody who expects that is going to be let down. That's not how companies work and it never will be.

[Moonlite]

There will never be proof that 100% of your sub went into the game because it doesn't. Anybody who expects that is going to be let down. That's not how companies work and it never will be.

Well that is up for debate on how you consider overhead. Is the person who works at Eorzean cafe overhead of the game? The question of what can be considered overhead and what is negligence is where the line is. But we simply don't have enough info. The inf we have is that they keep putting all this extra stuff into the cash shop, we have a supposedly successful population, and we also have one of the few rent inventory games. Yet we have less content then we did before.

[savageink]

Yet we have less content then we did before.

Huh? Compared to what? They introduce new items all the time. Some are free during events and go to the cash shop awhile after the events. Some stay in the game. It's how they have been doing it since ARR. They didn't stop making in game quest and achievement minions, or mounts. The tomestone gear isn't from basic gear models. New crafting gear isn't identical to old. I'm digging my new sky rat gear. I just need the boots which I will probably keep around for Mad Max glam. I really don't see how any of this is affecting game play or availability/frequency of new items. You guys just don't want to pay for it. I under stand. It sucks to want, but it's not unfair.

[Moonlite]

Huh? Compared to what? They introduce new items all the time. Some are free during events and go to the cash shop awhile after the events. Some stay in the game. It's how they have been doing it since ARR. They didn't stop making in game quest and achievement minions, or mounts. The tomestone gear isn't from basic gear models. New crafting gear isn't identical to old. I'm digging my new sky rat gear. I just need the boots which I will probably keep around for Mad Max glam. I really don't see how any of this is affecting game play or availability/frequency of new items. You guys just don't want to pay for it. I under stand. It sucks to want, but it's not unfair.

I ment content in general not gear since I don't have a gear count. They designed 3 dungeons per patch and removed a whole dungeon in 3.0. Going forward we are going down to one every other patch. Not to mention 74 weeks from 2.0 to 2.5. 83 weeks from 3.0 to 3.5. That is 9 weeks difference and giving them the benefit of the doubt that the huge gap between 2.5 and 3.0 was a sign of future content loss.