Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Just please, stop being selfish saying your class is broken and look to the other ones too.

How is this at all being selfish? We're not the strongest healer anymore despite healing being the ONLY thing we can do, we can't buff, we don't have party synergy, we have one healer CD while the others have two, we have less party mitigation than Tanks, we have just a bit over half the number of abilities the other healers now have, and every one of our new healing spells in SB are gated around RNG that promotes the spamming of Cure/Cure II, which is frowned upon more than anything. And even then, the most we got out of lilies is a Stoneskin on a single target, or another AOE heal...

They could delete us right now and nothing of value would be lost. The last thing we're being is selfish.

[Caduagm]

We're not the strongest healer anymore

Assize (now 60 secs or lower), Asylum and Cure 3 (attention: 550 potency being a gcd) say the opposite.

we don't have party synergy

Well,now you have with the shields and the stacks.

we have one healer CD while the others have two

Well if you're talking about the Increasing Healing Power CDs so you're right, although, as I said, Asylum, Assize and Cure3.
Also, Synastry lost its 20% heal buff.

and every one of our new healing spells in SB are gated around RNG

Deal with it, Scholars already have it if they want crit Adlo Deployment Tatics.

[fantasticm]

Deal with it, Scholars already have it if they want crit Adlo Deployment Tatics.

Crit or not they can still deploy a shield at any time. So can AST. WHM has lost that ability.

In any case, suffering shouldn't be a competition. No one is denying SCH got hit with nerfs in some areas - but this is a thread for discussing the problems with WHM. They exist, and the fact that they exist does NOT diminish the problems with SCH. Why are you acting like they do?

[Caduagm]

Crit or not they can still deploy a shield at any time.

Yes they can succor, but that is their identity.

So can AST.

Ok so we're talking about Noct AST+WHM? There's no problem there.

They exist, and the fact that they exist does NOT diminish the problems with SCH. Why are you acting like they do?

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.

[Metsonm]

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.

No other classes are getting core job mechanics that actively go against efficient play. No other classes have 2/3 of the active skills of their contemporaries. No other classes are being outmatched in literally everything they do by their contemporaries, with change to spare.

It's not like SE didn't hear our worries from before. Yoshi made a big deal of it when discussing Monk: he said something along the lines of "So, turns out people like having synergy and utility in classes" and addressed that in Paladin and Monk, two of the big three. Us WHMs were sitting, waiting patiently for him to get round to announcing we got something else and instead got told "No, no utility for YOU, you're a healer. Now excuse us while we go and give AST more cards and buffs and give SCH a crit up skill."

I am sorry, or are you just contradicting what you said?

Raw, personal damage and raid damage are not the same. You're just being awkward now.

Erm, no? It heal the selected target by 40% more if it is a single target heal

That's still a 40% buff.

[Caduagm]

That's still a 40% buff.

That's still a 40% for a SINGLE TARGET which is the only way we putting someone at 100% HP within 3 seconds.
And btw, Benediction got it recast cutted by half.

[fantasticm]

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.

If you want to talk about the changes to other jobs and how you think they could be improved upon, why not go post in those threads? They exist, there are a few threads discussing SCH on the first page alone.

What if lilies reduced the MP cost of our skills instead? 1 lily = 5% MP reduction, 2 lilies = 10% and 3 lilies = 15% (or 20% dealers choice). This makes gaining lillies desirable, because WHMs already suffer MP problems, even with Largeese, we will still be wanting for MP. With MP reduction, we won't be killing ourselves for playing our class to the fullest.

I was thinking about this earlier, a good passive trait just for having lilies would be awesome. I don't think those numbers would be quite as high, but it would actually make lilies worth having. Especially if it was MP reduction, it could negate our need to take Lucid Dreaming - content permitting.

[Mahkii]

I was thinking about this earlier, a good passive trait just for having lilies would be awesome. I don't think those numbers would be quite as high, but it would actually make lilies worth having. Especially if it was MP reduction, it could negate our need to take Lucid Dreaming - content permitting.

Something you made me think about is lillies increasing your personal damage by some % per lilly. In this scenario, they would be acting like compensation for having to GCD a heal.

[Metsonm]

Well,now you have with the shields and the stacks.

I don't get what you mean by this. Our shield isn't any better than what we already had and is flat out weaker than Scholar and Ast shields on a minute cooldown that consumes our resource to the detriment of our other skills that didn't used to work off the resource. As for the stacks, that's not really synergy as it's still just increased healing, which we don't need. It doesn't benefit the party if we already meet the HPS threshold which is the entire point we're making when we ask for synergy and utility.

Deal with it, Scholars already have it if they want crit Adlo Deployment Tatics.

Critlo isn't a core job mechanic.