SCH concern on DPS. Healers dps comparison

[Nathair]

I'm sure SCH will be able to function in dungeons just fine.

It will. It'll just be so boring I'll start watching netflix since I can't aoe.

[Leanna]

Be able to heal and do DPS is the main reason of why I love to play SCH. The pet is good enough to heal on her own most of the time, allowing scholars to dps as much as they want, and high dps is always nice and welcome. But after see the massive nerf to SCH dps and pet healing I'm considering to move to AST or just main DPS jobs.

All this "Healers should only heal qq" bullshit is annoying and most likely the reason of why healer DPS has been nerfed so badly, butthurts are the reason why we can't have nice things. Healers can't be any more boring than they will be in 4.X.

It will. It'll just be so boring I'll start watching netflix since I can't aoe.

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After those nerfs there isn't any point in dpsing, just go afk while the pet heals.

[Greedalox]

After those nerfs there isn't any point in dpsing, just go afk while the pet heals.

I disagree. Even if SCH could only pull half the DPS they should be DPS'ing when they can. If your opportunities to DPS are as frequent as they are now, there's no reason not to if you are a player who is capable of DPS'ing and healing. It all helps.

Dps > No Dps- even if the numbers aren't as big as they used to be.

[Leanna]

I disagree. Even if SCH could only pull half the DPS they should be DPS'ing when they can. If your opportunities to DPS are as frequent as they are now, there's no reason not to if you are a player who is capable of DPS'ing and healing. It all helps.

Dps > No Dps- even if the numbers aren't as big as they used to be.

Less dots, less damage, dps is less rewarding and the stance dancing is gone. Welcome to the Boredoom.

The fun of play SCH was dps as much as you could while at the same, keep the tank alive, and there was a risk but also a big reward. It's true, deal damage is better than not deal any at all, but the reward will be minimun and the fun is gone.

SE wanted to kill SCH's dps for some reason, and that's what they did ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Greedalox]

Less dots, less damage, dps is less rewarding and the stance dancing is gone. Welcome to the Boredoom.

The fun of play SCH was dps as much as you could while at the same, keep the tank alive, and there was a risk but also a big reward. It's true, deal damage is better than not deal any at all, but the reward will be minimun and the fun is gone.

To be fair, you said yourself that the fairy does all the work so stance dancing was barely as risky as you're implying. I mean sure, if you only play SCH for big numbers then that's one thing, but you can fit just as many GCD's, they just won't all be the same ones you do now. So the boredom might have less to do busy fingers and just your impression that smaller numbers aren't worth having.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Most Scholar's wouldn't even turn off cleric stance for 99% if any given fight. Several raiders that I've chatted with have admitted to really just dropping it for 1/2 GCD 2-3 times Max in any given raid encounter, both in game and on forums here. I'm not seeing the risk, TBH. I actually quit SCH because it was boring sitting in CS so much and being told to ignore my role.

[Leanna]

To be fair, you said yourself that the fairy does all the work so stance dancing was barely as risky as you're implying. I mean sure, if you only play SCH for big numbers then that's one thing, but you can fit just as many GCD's, they just won't all be the same ones you do now. So the boredom might have less to do busy fingers and just your impression that smaller numbers aren't worth having.

Not just for dungeons, but for the rest of the content.

SCH isn't a main healer, their DPS is dead. There is no reason to play the class anymore when AST was buffed in such a retarded way, and WHM/SCH were murdered.

[Pandurah]

Apparently there was a mistranslation with Bane, and it only lowers by 20% if there're 2+ enemies. I have a link to the source, if it's cool to post links here.

Edit: Here's the link - https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...su-Dengeki-etc

[Belhi]

Honestly SCH will still bring some pretty hefty utility to fights and has some very powerful mitigation. That hasn't changed. They still have their healing turret which can focus heal for stronger healing now. They have definitely lost some dps but I don't necessarily think it will be crippling as SCH mainly competes with AST for off heals, where you will be doing the dps mostly, and SCH is pretty solid against AST. Do remember that increased crit rate ability they can put on enemies.

Their AoE has taken a hit, more so if the Bane tool tip is true. Do remember though that the same scaling already applies to Holy and gravity. Neither hit all their targets for the full 200 pot. WHM is the clear winner in the AoE dps department but it was pretty solid in that area already so I don't see that changing much.

That said, AST is so dominant that it has the potential to push on either healer. The question really is what they will do about WHM and wether it will offset the utility SCH brings. Do remember WHM isn't going to be doing sustained DPS an entire fight cause they are main heals so the big risk is if AST pushes into SCH territory. They will have to give WHM a lot of utility to make it more valuable than what SCH is bringing.

[AsakuraVN]

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If you're talking about raiding, most of the time it'll be single target so it doesn't matter... What people are mostly concerned about is AoE dmg in 4-man dungeon contents. WHM doesn't need sustain in dungeon cuz everything die under 1min if everyone contribute well enough & healing isn't a problem for anyone.

And if you're comparing aoe between the 3 healers, WHM is already strong in AoE & has even better sustain with new skill, AST has better utility & it gonna gets even better AoE after SB, meanwhile SCH AoE is nerfed to oblivion for the 2 reasons that has nothing to do with SCH (SMN & cross role).

I'm sure SCH will be able to function in dungeons just fine.

I'm also sure WHM will be able to function in raiding just fine. Idk what those WHMs are complaining about... /s