SCH concern on DPS. Healers dps comparison

[Starflake]

We do have Chain Stratagem though and Astrologion has cards. Astrologion having cards, in particular Balance, probably is the highest raid DPS healer then followed by SCH and then White Mage. I'd be fine if they just gave us Bio back and a decent Bane.

[AsakuraVN]

I don't think nerfing AoE dmg has anything to do with the meta. This is just mainly for 4man dungeon content or some trashy mid raid tier that doesn't really matter much. Just that it looks like an oversight to me because they nerfed Bane for SMN & removed BlizII for the new cross role system. So we have nothing to spam in AoE with except Broil.

However, shadow flare doesn't concern me that much. Some guy did the math on SMN & turns out it's maybe a dps gain since you don't have to spend 2 GCDs every 30s to recast it, & can use that time for other dps skills while weaving in SF instead.

Also healer gears are melded with mostly acc to hit the acc cap, & since it's no longer needed, you can spend all those slots on crit/ss/det now.

[Giniroryu]

I don't think nerfing AoE dmg has anything to do with the meta. This is just mainly for 4man dungeon content or some trashy mid raid tier that doesn't really matter much. Just that it looks like an oversight to me because they nerfed Bane for SMN & removed BlizII for the new cross role system. So we have nothing to spam in AoE with except Broil.

However, shadow flare doesn't concern me that much. Some guy did the math on SMN & turns out it's maybe a dps gain since you don't have to spend 2 GCDs every 30s to recast it, & can use that time for other dps skills while weaving in SF instead.

Also healer gears are melded with mostly acc to hit the acc cap, & since it's no longer needed, you can spend all those slots on crit/ss/det now.

I feel that is exactly the case. They wanted to balance raid output for healers, but the huge nerf on SCH aoe has nothing to do with raid balance. It will just make dungeons boring to do with SCH.

[Poisonous]

Why is this a problem?

SCH main, I'm happy for the change. SCH doesn't need to be OP at everything and DPS are being made more responsible for team DPS.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Why is this a problem.

Harder for SCH to carry subpar dps now.

Which is good.

I agree. I'm looking forward to being able to play seriously more often.

[Poisonous]

Harder for SCH to carry subpar dps now.

Which is good.

[Gemina]

The concern as I see it is that SCH DPS was never a problem, so the nerfs are unwarranted. The problem as I saw it was that Lily was so powerful, a SCH would literally never have to leave Cleric except for the occasional lustrate and pre-pull adlo. And in the worst cases, could go AFK completely in a dungeon and just follow the tank.

SCH's truly did need to start having to be more attentive towards the HP gauges of their comrades, but they didn't need to gut their DPS potential to do so. I think the end result won't be as bad as some envision it, and adjustments will be made in the future, but as of now I am scratching my head. It's almost like the devs spite the SCH job.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I believe it is no surprise that the devs are very adverse to speed runs in dungeons.

Most aoes are pretty much nerfed throughout all the roles, but I agree that Scholar really got hit bad.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I believe it is no surprise that the devs are very adverse to speed runs in dungeons.

Most aoes are pretty much nerfed throughout all the roles, but I agree that Scholar really got hit bad.

It won't change speed runs though. We'll just take slightly longer to burn everything down.

[Ariane]

I believe it is no surprise that the devs are very adverse to speed runs in dungeons.

Most aoes are pretty much nerfed throughout all the roles, but I agree that Scholar really got hit bad.

They didn't nerf WHM/AST aoe though. They were actually already better than SCH at AOE in dungeons because things die fast, so it doesn't matter they can't sustain it as long. And if the DPS is actually good, SCH dots don't even have much chance to tick. Really only thing this nerf does is tell SCH they shouldn't do dungeons anymore.