Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Fyce]

The overarching mentality is still exactly the same, and definitely comparable here. You have people who want to play the character/class they like, and then you have blowhards saying nothing should be played except the statistically "best" ones and that the rest may as well not even exist. Threads like this one are making it very clear on which side of the line people lie.

Or everyone just want to succeed, without having to be called a "blowhard". And playing WHM doesn't give the same chance of success as playing AST or SCH. That's it. Everything isn't black and white.
Besides, people can have fun playing AST or SCH, you know. In fact, Diurnal AST is so close to WHM that WHM mains could very much enjoy playing AST, in addition of AST being clearly superior. What a shocking reveal.

[Cynfael]

I'll be able to cast plenty of cures and cure IIs.

I'm curious as to what you consider "plenty," because you basically need to be spamming Cures to get frequent Lily and Confession procs. As Dreamweaver suggests, casting enough of these spells is not only almost always the opposite of efficient in terms of healing, it consumes so many GCDs that you don't benefit from significant DPS uptime.

[MarinaShore]

I actually think this is a good way of looking at it, and I can agree with much of it.

My biggest problem with WHM was never it's "pure heals" style. WHM does incredible damage already with its 3 Aeros and Stone 3, but when you ran out of mana Shroud didn't last as long as LA for AST. Assize helped but it's cool down was too long to make up for how much mana Stone 3 would eat and healing would take.

The big issue with WHM for me isn't that it's "just heals". It's that if the content is easy enough you don't need big heals, and the built in mana management is so poor you can't spam DPS, then yeah WHM does seem boring and kinda useless.

You can make content harder or you can make mana way more manageable and let them throw more DPS. Now that WHMs can manage mana they can add a lot to DPS AND keep the party alive with those insane good heals. It's not as fancy as SCH/AST utility but the changes they made probably also put WHM back where it was before AST.

[Risvertasashi]

The big issue with WHM for me isn't that it's "just heals". It's that if the content is easy enough you don't need big heals

And even if you do need big heals, AST is flat out stronger.

[Keridwyn]

Of course it does, which is why someone might still perform better on a class like WHM despite SCH/AST being statistically/capably superior. That or they just might *GASP* like it better.

See you should have quoted the whole of my statement. Personal skill cannot give a class the utility they lack in their base code.

That is the point many WHM mains are arguing and why the ones that do perform at competitive levels are worried about further exclusion.

Not a raider or an overachiever myself but I do feel that my main is now lacking compared to the other classes in my role. I like it, I will play it, but that doesn't change the truth.

[Cynfael]

Last time you healed the dragon to death! Now... you must heal the entire army to death.... TO GROW YOUR LILIES!!! Even though now they'd be pushing up the daisies, BUT LILIES!

WHM is going to retire from adventuring and open a #$!*ing flower shop at the culmination of their Stormblood storyline.

Oops, spoilers.

[Reiryuu]

WHM is going to retire from adventuring and open a #$!*ing flower shop at the culmination of their Stormblood storyline.

Oops, spoilers.

Wait! Does that mean we can get the Aeris/Aerith costume and hairstyle?!

Yes. That is exactly what that means.

Hell yes! But wait... that also means that... >.>; <.<; >.<;

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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[Cynfael]

Wait! Does that mean we can get the Aeris/Aerith costume and hairstyle?!

Yes. That is exactly what that means.

Hell yes! But wait... that also means that... >.>; <.<; >.<;

RIPWHM: it'll finally become canon.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

The biggest issue, BY FAR, isn't limited to our non existent synergy with ANY jobs and 0 raid utility.
It's the fact that not only are all of our new SB heals gated behind multiple layers of RNG, but that RNG is all based solely off of Cure spamming.

Which means if a WHM doesn't cast an excessive amount of cures regularly, not a single bit of their new abilities are being out to use.
It feels so tacked on and lacking of creativity. It's really a shame. This goes beyond just not being raid relevant. It's just not fun to use at all.

Look at Earthly Star from AST. Simple, satisfying to use, and fun. Spamming cure up to 15 seconds just for a slightly faster OGCD or AOE heal is ridiculous and horrifically underwhelming.