SMN changes

[Neela]

But so far... yeah this job won't even be remotely competitive anymore...
That's some serious nerfing... At this point, barring some seriously powerful stuff at 60th-70th... this class will likely not be worth it to play anymore.

Even in danger to trigger a new freakout I'll comment this...

You are right at first it seems that nearly every dmg skill got a pot-nerf in raw-numbers but you oversee all the proc-buff-combinations, there are perm buffs which raise your overall dmg by 30% at least 2 buffs to raise different DoT pot and like I said in my post above a more or less clean line throughout the ruin-part of your rota which buffs and procs itself if you use them in a certain order. --> just looking at the raw-pot numbers might be a mistake... we will see ^^

[Anyan]

Neela, I hope you're right because I'm literally in tears right now after reading what Silverquick wrote. Seeing the changes to brd, which I was so much looking forward to, has already made me a mess. T-T
It might sound over dramatic, but losing two of my favorite jobs because of smnrs (potential) nerf, and because I'm too nervous and stupid to be able to play the new brd well enough to actual be an asset, hurts like hell.

[Dyvid]

Pro:
*Bahamut is a pet
*Bio III and Miasma III 30s dot timers
*Enhanced Enkindle
*Tri-Disaster changes
*Garuda Changes
*Devotion

Cons:
*Sustain
*Bane

[Len]

Positive
- Tri-disaster's recast timer is reset upon entering Dreadwyrm Trance.
- Demi-Bahamut's Ahk Morn is 680 potency (with damage falloff on multiple targets) and is also on a 13 recast timer.
- Dot consolidation: can you imagine having 5 buttons dedicated to just dot application? Nightmare.
- Enkindle's recast timer can be reduced by 10 seconds on a proc.

Negative
- Look, I get that there's potency nerfs for other jobs, too, but we already had mostly low potency spells! What the hell.
- Loss of both Contagion and Sustain.
- Shadowflare (now an instant cast) is on a 60 second recast timer.
- Bane damage falloff increased: potency reduced by 20% for the second enemy, 40% for the third, 60% for the fourth, and 80% for the fifth and beyond.
- Our major Stormblood addition (Summon Demi-Bahamut) is locked behind both Dreadwyrm Trance and by extension Aetherflow, which is on a 60 second cooldown.

[Silverquick]

Negative
- Look, I get that there's potency nerfs for other jobs, too, but we already had mostly low potency spells! What the hell.
- Loss of both Contagion and Sustain.
- Shadowflare (now an instant cast) is on a 60 second recast timer.
- Bane damage falloff increased: potency reduced by 20% for the second enemy, 40% for the third, 60% for the fourth, and 80% for the fifth and beyond.
- Our major Stormblood addition (Summon Demi-Bahamut) is locked behind both Dreadwyrm Trance and by extension Aetherflow, which is on a 60 second cooldown.

Our AoE damage was really what this job had going for it... but that's all gone now. Only the original Deathflare remains and Painflare which are both stuck behind recast and Aetherflow stacks remain unchanged. So... we just lost the majority of our AoE damage with the BANE nerf that was about 800+ potency in DoT that tick for 110 potency per tick.

Yeah our Single Target damage already was only on the middle end comparatively... and that got nerfed too... seriously nerfed... 25% nerf on Ruin 3, and a 33% nerf on Fester... not to mention another 33% nerf (or More) on our DoTs.

So like I said... unless they gave us something pretty uber at high levels... this job is... well I won't say it yet.

At this point we'll have to wait and see how it plays out in comparison to other jobs... but I'm not holding out much hope at this point, once they removed our class Identity of AoEs it was the wrong thing to mess with.

[Nerisu]

Painflare which are both stuck behind recast

Speaking of recast, Painflare's is going to be (tentatively) reduced from 10s to 5s. Same thing for Fester.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

[Silverquick]

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Yeah but theirs only went down -10% per target down to -50% max... ours is -20% down to -80% max.

That's not even comparable its worse...

[Neela]

Speaking of recast, Painflare's is going to be (tentatively) reduced from 10s to 5s. Same thing for Fester.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Oh there you go casttimes

If you can push them twice in the same time we are used to atm, the pot-reduce of other spells get less dramatic + you ll be way
faster in trance and adv. trance. k depending on the dbl trance to unlock Bahamut and Akh Morn they have to decrease pre-trance somehow.

Thx for giving the ct hint now im a bit less sceptical

Edit: blm/whm aoe nerfs -> at least both of them have strong singletarget skills : /

[Len]

So I decided to take another look at some of the changes after the initial wave of disappointment wore off.

Fester: 200 potency max. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT. Painflare is 200 potency and it doesn't require dots to be applied. Even energy drain is 150 potency and at least will refund some MP. This is comical.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Now that the pendulum has once again swung in their favor, where is Summoner's single target to make up for the loss?

[Yorumi]

- Look, I get that there's potency nerfs for other jobs, too, but we already had mostly low potency spells! What the hell.

In a vacuum I don't worry about potency nerfs, ruin and enkindle reduction probably help balance things out etc. What worries me is smn burst damage. Any time you have things like restraint collar, or creator's time gates and such smn feels like it's at a disadvantage there. If you're not holding a trace or something is preparation it's definitely slower. With potency nerfs that could be even more of a problem.

Overall I think what smn got is neat, I'm just worried about how a few things will end up playing out.