What should I infuse my blm with?

[Silverquick]

Do we need a thread just for Silverquick to argue about SMN? It feels like any thread could suddenly be about SMN if you say the right (or wrong) things.

Honestly, most of this thread, which was focused on BLM melds, is now about SMN. This thread could've been resolved in ~30 posts top but somehow SMN became a part of it.

Again.

Yeah sorry about that,

I didn't think I would get jumped while asking BLMs about how they do their gear... by other SMNs about SMN.

What can I say? They're obsessed with me.

[Mhaeric]

Yeah sorry about that,

I didn't think I would get jumped while asking BLMs about how they do their gear... by other SMNs about SMN.

What can I say? They're obsessed with me.

Actually, the "getting jumped" in this thread was done by you and not to you, and after that tone was set things went downhill very quickly. Being disagreed with does not equate to being attacked or jumped on. People are allowed to disagree, especially when they have a reasoned argument to support why. The paraphrased progress of the conversation went:

Silverquick: "Piety is a stat I put on my Summoner because I can get an extra Ruin 3 and never run out of mp."
Neela: "I don't know why you would say that. Using SPS instead you can put an extra buffed Ruin 3 in during DWT while getting the extra DoT/pet damage, and still never run out of mana with good aetherflow management. Please don't spread bad advice about piety being a better stat than sps/crit." [Editor's note: She actually did use the word please, so I'm not implying tone here.]
Silverquick: <out of place ad hominem attacks on Neela's character while propping up your self-declared excellence instead of providing support to your claim>

You know... I just realized what that reminds me of. Replace "Silverquick" with "Trump", and "Neela" with "The Media" and it's the same pattern of behaviour.

Anywho, the BLM question has long since been answered multiple times, so hopefully this thread can be locked. But until then... /popcorn.

[Silverquick]

Actually, the "getting jumped" in this thread was done by you and not to you, and after that tone was set things went downhill
very quickly. Being disagreed with does not equate to being attacked or jumped on. People are allowed to disagree, especially when they have a reasoned argument to support why. The paraphrased progress of the conversation went:

Try again Mhaeric here's the real conversation...

1. (Random Poster) You melded piety on a caster!? I think my mind just exploded

2. (Me) Absolutely... It's why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

3. (Neela)
I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

4. (Me)
....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place... who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trance and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.



And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.

[Mhaeric]

Try again Mhaeric here's the real conversation...

1. (Random Poster) You melded piety on a caster!? I think my mind just exploded

2. (Me) Absolutely... It's why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

3. (Neela)
I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

4. (Me)
....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place... who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trance and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.



And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.

This is exactly what I paraphrased. Instead of supporting your claim that piety is better than sps via a reasonable discussion as to what you get out piety, you instead attack her credibility over some other issue. I.e. ad hominem. My point stands.

[Silverquick]

This is exactly what I paraphrased. Instead of supporting your claim that piety is better than sps via a reasonable discussion as to what you get out piety, you instead attack her credibility over some other issue. I.e. ad hominem. My point stands.

Yeah.... but it's also true... if you never realized people used Ruin 3 outside of trance nowadays... of COURSE you're going to think Piety gear is useless for a SMN and never account for the total package of Ruin 3 spam. Because Ruin 1 and Ruin 2 cost very little MP to cast...

If you never use it outside of DWT... then you'll never worry about MP anyway. But of course.... if you're maintaining Ruin 3 spam... its a different story. Because then you just might fall short at some critical moment so it would actually be a serious consideration. (Aka... the way the game is played now... changed)

BUT... all of that is beside the point... SMN damage and gearing is not the point of the thread...

.....its supposed to be about BLMs and their melds... Not SMN ... so irrelevent anyway

[Neela]

Yeah.... but it's also true... if you never realized people used Ruin 3 outside of trance nowadays... of COURSE you're going to think Piety gear is useless for a SMN and never account for the total package of Ruin 3 spam. Because Ruin 1 and Ruin 2 cost very little MP to cast...

If you never use it outside of DWT... then you'll never worry about MP anyway. But of course.... if you're maintaining Ruin 3 spam... its a different story. Because then you just might fall short at some critical moment so it would actually be a serious consideration. (Aka... the way the game is played now... changed)

Talking about SMN ... so irrelevent anyway

its not done until you stop lying >: )

And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.

you are such a fucking lier... it was ME who told YOU that smns use ruin lll out of trance nowadays on your first appearance in this forum (btw talking about being outdated - in the same conversation you stated to use bliz2 on mobs so mr. state of the modern art tell me who's outdated?) - I even quoted the posts in this thread.but you didn't take a note and still spread this fucking rumor... I am really really curious if you are that dumb or if you just play the dumbness.... other smn user in this forum already know that I got a fable for high ss - there where plenty of discussions about that. and what do you think is the main reason I go for max ss on one of my builds? right reducing cast time of hard casts -> oh well ruin lll got a hard cast oh wonder... so in fact a ss build is a ruin spam build with strong dot & egi dmg but a bit lack in crit & crit multiplyer. you don't know a shit about me and my "touch" in playing smn in different builds with different stats and focus'. not enough though... you don't know a shit about smns at all in general.

lmao... "aka the way the game is played now"... smns are playing so since the ruin lll buff months ago - a time you didn't even started your smn. you still think that its your discovery to use ruin lll out of trance do u? u can't be serious about that... The reason why I posted my builds is to make a point: even with 1250 ss (which provides a ruin lll and dot hardcasttime of 2,22 secs) im not running out of mp WHILE using ruin lll oot. (adjusting the rota its even possible to go through a9s without downtimes f.e.) if you need piety for smn, your mp-management is just poor. #fact

and it's sad that even now after others pointed arguments out you don't seem to get the whole problem with your choice of words and behavior if someone got an own opinion - which actually stays in contrast to yours. so its not just between you and me but between you and everybody else who says "you are wrong".


#LearningYouAre #youngPadawan.

[AmeliaVerves]

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I wanted to check your logs to compare them to other summoners and see if your extra ruinIII is worth the lost crit, but you don't have any logs on fflogs.



To OP:
It was said before, but I want to add a little bit:
Best choice is to wait für stormblood to hit, because you will get new gear and can't get materia once melded back.

But! Blackmage will most likely still need a lot of spellspeed and crit (on pieces you can't meld spellspeed on) so it might be a good idea to buy some materia now while they are still cheap on the marketboard.
Of course just in case you don't have any/enough already and it is really cheap on your server.

[Silverquick]

I wanted to check your logs to compare them to other summoners and see if your extra ruinIII is worth the lost crit, but you don't have any logs on fflogs.

Of course not.... I don't post anything to FFLOGs.... nor do most people.

That said... I know you guys are trying to get this back on Track as BLMs so I'm trying not to get into it anymore.

I Suspect though no one is reading this anymore at this point and expecting a conversation about BLM stats.

Again sorry this got so off track... I didn't expect to get jumped here over SMN stats while asking about BLM stats.

As you can see some of these people are a rather obsessive lot.

[AmeliaVerves]

Of course not.... I don't post anything to FFLOGs.... nor do most people.

Fair enough, ofc, would have just been a quick supply for more information about rare numbers. ^^
Since some BLMs use 2 piety V materia sometimes too, so you don't need to wait for a server tick in your rotation, but can keep on casting.
I would still stick to the 'almost 1.3k crit'-build since it is valid and proofen with maths and numbers, if you feel good with your build that is fine, but very uncommon.

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I think it is enough for now, please stop the childish parts.





Edit:
I think it is ok to talk about SMN stats and different builds, because the OPs question were already answered. Just the way you are handling Off Topic is really really bad! Shame on you! :P