Gathering in SB worry, HP/ def/ GP scaling. Deep vigor reexamining?

[alimdia]

You can't sit there and tell me what happened to me.

Oh yes I can, this is like if someone said they went on miner and after opening a node they got the botanist window, that doesn't happen, that's not how the game works, and I don't know why you don't want to accept that the game isn't broken, that maybe the monster was already aiming the aoe to that spot before you interacted with the node (mobs in both of those nodes have no aoe marker, just cleaves) taking out your stealth right before you interacted with the node. Worst case scenario it's a bug that literally only happens to you and no one else in the entire game and you should report it in the bug reports section.

Just another example why I am told in game " I do not post on the forums because of high toxicity"

There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)

They are useless abilities, I thought that would be the accepted, but apparently that is "start an argument in every thread you make?"

As for last ditch, I stopped trying to use that, I have no idea what it does or what it is supposed to do, I gave up on that. I thought it was just me, if that is useless too well..

Well like I said you're free to not use them, those of us who do find use for them would like to keep using them instead of losing them.

People don't "choose" to attack you, in all those threads you started + all the others you didn't start but still went into an argument with other players you're the constant, you don't accept different opinions, you don't even entertain the idea that you might be wrong or that something wasn't handled well by you. If something keeps happening to you this often you could use some introspection.

For the last point, gathering and battle are not the same and should never be handled the same, for battle you have too many buttons to hit in a regular battle with more being added, for gathering it's 100% okay to have skills that are only useful in certain situations, because you're not supposed to be hitting every skill in the first place, crafting works the same way with many situational skills.

[Aramina]

(and recommended read)
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You are my new favorite person.

[Hamada]

Oh yes I can, this is like if someone said they went on miner and after opening a node they got the botanist window, that doesn't happen, that's not how the game works, and I don't know why you don't want to accept that the game isn't broken, that maybe the monster was already aiming the aoe to that spot before you interacted with the node (mobs in both of those nodes have no aoe marker, just cleaves) taking out your stealth right before you interacted with the node. Worst case scenario it's a bug that literally only happens to you and no one else in the entiregame and you should report it in the bug reports section.



There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)




Well like I said you're free to not use them, those of us who do find use for them would like to keep using them instead of losing them.

People don't "choose" to attack you, in all those threads you started + all the others you didn't start but still went into an argument with other players you're the constant, you don't accept different opinions, you don't even entertain the idea that you might be wrong or that something wasn't handled well by you. If something keeps happening to you this often you could use some introspection.

For the last point, gathering and battle are not the same and should never be handled the same, for battle you have too many buttons to hit in a regular battle with more being added, for gathering it's 100% okay to have skills that are only useful in certain situations, because you're not supposed to be hitting every skill in the first place, crafting works the same way with many situational skills.

You need take your own advice:

"The truth" isn't a valid excuse to be mean, OP worded his post very neutral, just wondering if there's anything they can do, they didn't demand anything from SE or from the community like a special snowflake would, they are just consulting if there's any option they overlooked, that doesn't warrant the harsh reply you and the other person gave.

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

[Mholito]

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

Has this happpened multiple times? Are you able to get a recording of it happening? People are a lot more willing to accept your claims if you can provide proof.

[alimdia]

You need take your own advice:

Telling you that you are wrong is not mistreating you. The rest was me telling you that you can't complain about forum drama when you're the one starting it every time you get involved in one.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

Go submit a bug report then, you discovered a bug that only happens to you, I'm sure the devs would love to investigate it.

[Hamada]

Telling you that you are wrong is not mistreating you. The rest was me telling you that you can't complain about forum drama when you're the one starting it every time you get involved in one.

There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)

You are really that blind you can't see you are mistreating me? take your own damn advice.

"The truth" isn't a valid excuse to be mean, OP worded his post very neutral, just wondering if there's anything they can do, they didn't demand anything from SE or from the community like a special snowflake would, they are just consulting if there's any option they overlooked, that doesn't warrant the harsh reply you and the other person gave.

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

Go submit a bug report then, you discovered a bug that only happens to you, I'm sure the devs would love to investigate it.

I did not know it was a bug. I submitted a MPK report to a GM when it happened, since it was a bot anyway, and I explained that as well.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. You are wrong for telling me I am wrong for saying what happened to me.

Has this happpened multiple times? Are you able to get a recording of it happening? People are a lot more willing to accept your claims if you can provide proof.

How in the hell was I supposed to know I needed proof to something trivial as this? How about, gasp, people should just be less toxic on the forums? maybe more people would be willing to post. You have any idea how much I am told "I do not post on the forums because they are too toxic?????"

I just want to make sure they examine gathering more closely for 4.0 since they did NOTHING for crafting and gathering for 3.0 (other then the useless specialist system that does not meet the goal they have in mind since hard core crafters make alts anyway, such as my ama) and get across my concerns why, not be belittled over if a bug/exploit/bot exploit/whatever happened to me, also it would be nice to make it harder to bot, that should be worthwhile for everyone get behind.

I just had a thought to show how useless that deep vigor rotation is. You get 1,1,1,1,1, 2 HQ right? off it. If we go by 3.4 node prices when they where new you get 25k NQ, 75k HQ, that's 125+175= 300k. With my rotation it is 3,3,3,3,3 , 15 items total. 15 x 25x= 375k, so even with zero HQs i have more value then your rotation, should i hit 12/3 (the average), that value is 225+300= 525k. (neglecting the fact I hit 3/12 once)

Now as you get lower prices like HQ not being triple the value of NQ, the gap of my rotation to using deep vigor grows even more, percent wise. So I need to ask again, why defending glaring game flaws/oversights?

[Mholito]

How in the hell was I supposed to know I needed proof to something trivial as this? How about, gasp, people should just be less toxic on the forums? maybe more people would be willing to post. You have any idea how much I am told "I do not post on the forums because they are too toxic?????"

You are making a claim that goes counter to how the game is supposed to work. You also still haven't mentioned if it has happened multiple times, or if it only was that one time. A video would serve to prove your claim and/or let people figure out what caused it to happen. I was just making a sugestion, so please don't direct your frustrations at me!

[Hamada]

You are making a claim that goes counter to how the game is supposed to work. You also still haven't mentioned if it has happened multiple times, or if it only was that one time. A video would serve to prove your claim and/or let people figure out what caused it to happen. I was just making a sugestion, so please don't direct your frustrations at me!

Why is this hard to understand??? I DID NOT KNOW!~! I did not know i needed proof, it is too late now. If I had known people would be attacking me with toxicity reporting an issue, yes I would of took a screenshot of the log to show the same order I typed out. I submitted reports to GMs reporting it as MPK disruption at the time, and happened twice or 3 times, i do not remember. In cast you forgot, as said in earlier posts, I do not gather anymore because it is not worth the time doing, outside getting Volcanic Rock Salt.

[Mholito]

Why is this hard to understand??? I DID NOT KNOW!~! I did not know i needed proof, it is too late now. If I had known people would be attacking me with toxicity reporting an issue, yes I would of took a screenshot of the log to show the same order I typed out. I submitted reports to GMs reporting it as MPK disruption at the time, and happened twice or 3 times, i do not remember. In cast you forgot, as said in earlier posts, I do not gather anymore because it is not worth the time doing, outside getting Volcanic Rock Salt.

I can understand that you are frustrated, but why are you so angry at me?! All I'm doing is trying to help you.