A Needless Indulgence, or a Lost Opportunity? (Devs?)

[Anonymoose]

I see what the OP is saying. I also love a challenge, but I do hope I get the chance to complete everything, (I hope it's not too hard for me to accomplish) before the world as we know it "ends." XD
I don't care how hard everything is after 2.0, when I have more time to improve myself and work towards it, but I hope I can beat Ifrit and such before the big boom. :3 If they make things easier just this once, I won't complain. :x

These are the sentiments I'm trying to get across, yes. The rest is mostly just QQ and being butthurt about not having much time to play anymore and having pretty much EVERYTHING I did work for when I had time become considered by others to be completely worthless for no decent reason.

I don't mine insane challenges later, it gives something to drive for - but we're talking about limited-time content. As we draw closer to 2.0 can we aim the content at something other than the top 1%? Or at least can we get some kind of benefits, upgrades, or something to at least experience it and get a souvenir weapon before the end? Hell, throw a brew at me for all I care - but if 1.0 ends and the majority of players weren't really given a decent shot at it, I'd be pretty bummed.

[Answa]

Anonymoose, as many people have said, Ifrit fight is mostly pure player skill. Gear just makes things easier. Hell, my gear sucks but I hold my own in the fight. It's when people don't dodge Iffy's attacks and start dropping like flies that there's a problem.

And yes, let's all blame server lag. >.>

[Anonymoose]

Anonymoose, as many people have said, Ifrit fight is mostly pure player skill. Gear just makes things easier. Hell, my gear sucks but I hold my own in the fight. It's when people don't dodge Iffy's attacks and start dropping like flies that there's a problem.

And yes, let's all blame server lag. >.>

See, I believe you, but I haven't really been any evidence of people in Vintage/Darkhold gear getting it done out of pure skill and proclaiming anything about it (at least not in a group majority form. I've heard a few times about "This one guy" or "One of our mages the other night" etc.) - and thus the stigma remains. In fact, I do believe BG tried very hard to get it done the night it came out in their old gear and couldn't manage - proclaiming that they were SURE there was a gearcheck in place. (I'm sure there's not a materia or GTFO check, but I'm also pretty sure if BG can't get it done in Darkhold gear, it's about more than skill). It's hard to make a contradictory claim not having beaten the fight against the people who have.

And server lag was a huge issue in the Darkhold, I'd believe that it's messing with Ifrit.

[Aenarion]

In fact, I do believe BG tried very hard to get it done the night it came out in their old gear and couldn't manage - proclaiming that they were SURE there was a gearcheck in place. (I'm sure there's not a materia or GTFO check, but I'm also pretty sure if BG can't get it done in Darkhold gear, it's about more than skill). It's hard to make a contradictory claim not having beaten the fight against the people who have.

And server lag was a huge issue in the Darkhold, I'd believe that it's messing with Ifrit.

that's just their ego and arrogance speaking, "oh noes we can't do this, must be because old gear sucks! there's no way it's because we haven't learned how to do the fight correctly yet!!!"

are people in non-materia'd darkhold gear going to parse out lower dmg overall in the fight compared to others of equal skill in newer gear? yes, is it substantial enough to make much of a difference? hell no.


Edit: just as an example from our latest fight, 5 lncs (mix of ifrit harpoon/materia'd gear and normal weapon/vintage/darkhold gear) parsed in from 7.4k to 5.5k dmg. Not exactly a huge spread, considering that the 7.4k lnc got the last ws in, and the 5.5k lnc was wearing fashion-oriented gear :P

[Liminality]

So, the OP is asking if current content and future content will be easier before 2.0?

Unless they break something (like how broken PL was), not likely. Then again, current content really isn't all that difficult to begin with. As said before, every big fight is almost always about strategy first; gear is usually second.

It's not even that difficult to get to Lvl36 on any job currently. I would give it a week at max, even if you don't play that often.

I'm not sure if you mean all content, or if you're just referring to the Ifrit fight only (sounds kinda QQ "they got weapons, I don't" thing), but... Lvl25 Ifrit fight and Lvl45+ Ifrit fight is the exact same (other than his overall difficulty).

So, if you're QQ'in about not "getting to experience content", then the whole argument is invalid (which is why I'm sure a Lvl25 version was placed there in the first place).

[Physic]

These are the sentiments I'm trying to get across, yes. The rest is mostly just QQ and being butthurt about not having much time to play anymore and having pretty much EVERYTHING I did work for when I had time become considered by others to be completely worthless for no decent reason.

I don't mine insane challenges later, it gives something to drive for - but we're talking about limited-time content. As we draw closer to 2.0 can we aim the content at something other than the top 1%? Or at least can we get some kind of benefits, upgrades, or something to at least experience it and get a souvenir weapon before the end? Hell, throw a brew at me for all I care - but if 1.0 ends and the majority of players weren't really given a decent shot at it, I'd be pretty bummed.

just throwing it out there, the whole world isnt going boom, they said primal battles, and raids, and company stuff will still still be there. What will be gone is the old overarching plotline relating to the end of the umbral or whateever era, and the maps, probably a decent amount of the small quests as well.

also, considering the amount of people i see AFKing in ifrit gear, and the people who are talking about having done it like 15 times in a row, i dont think its really as hard as you seem to believe, i could be wrong though

[Misteyes]

I haven't attempted Ifrit, so my two gil probably isn't worth much in this thread, but the way I see it, the ability to set Sentinel off-class to survive things that you're supposed to move out of seems like a crutch.

As others have said, the fight can be completed without having everyone level Gladiator to 36, however, if you're struggling with the content, leveling Gladiator to 36 might give you the edge you need to complete it.

I think that the fight, as it is, gives the perfect balance for people who are good at the game but don't have a lot of time, vs. people who are less good at the game but have more time to throw at it.

If anything, they should add harder fights that really do "require" Sentinel on everyone to complete, so that the hardcores who have both the time to level every job to 50 and the skill to beat Ifrit in their swimsuits have something to bash their heads against, too.

[Anonymoose]

Nerdrage

You are absolutely precious. I'll try again, with more articulation:

I like a good challenge, but I don't play all that much anymore. Despite Ifrit's weaponry not being to my taste in the mage department, the stigma created by its supposed requirements do bug me a bit. Your assumptions could not be farther from reality. I've yet to even step foot into Ifrit (Hard Mode), I'm simply unsettled by the new attitudes it has aroused in my communities. Needless to say, I don't find the effort required to be worth the weapon, but at the same time, I'm surprised that the aim of the development team seems to just be taken seriously by people who troll them for harder content.

My only question is whether content added simply for extreme challenge, due to its limited-time inclusion in Final Fantasy XIV, will be easier to complete given post-1.20 additions, giving those who aren't necessarily interested in the "Omfg, we did it, we're amazing." factor (the majority of the demographic) access. If not, it's not a big deal - I just find it rather disappointing. If the game were to be operational in this form through its closure, I wouldn't bother to ask - but this is content that will be disappearing. The question bears asking, and asking alone does not by default imply requests for the removal of challenge.

Your attitude, by far, eclipses anything negative I could think as a result, however. Attitudes like your's are a cancer on the entire concept of games for the sake of enjoyment. Even on a forum dedicated to discussion about the enjoyment of such things you need to exhibit such a toxic and judgmental position as if the game itself were your only validation and I was directly challenging your right to it. And you claim the game isn't entirely about me for asking the simple question outlined above?

That's less worth my time than meeting the stigma detailed in my musings. I'm not at odds with the game, only the behaviors fostered within the gaming community by the spicy food metaphor above. I'm deeply bothered by the fact I'm even compelled to reply to your last post, you sad, angry little man...


Congratulations, though, that is by far the most unnecessarily rude and bellicose thing I have ever read on this forum. It should come with its own Lodestone achievement. My god, you're an asshole. I concede this thread if this it what it has declined into. Lock it. If this is what a simple question implies of the asker - the argument and misunderstanding of intent isn't even worth the answer.

[Murugan]

You are absolutely precious. I'll try again, with more articulation:

I like a good challenge, but I don't play all that much anymore. Despite Ifrit's weaponry not being to my taste in the mage department, the stigma created by its supposed requirements do bug me a bit. Your assumptions could not be farther from reality. I've yet to even step foot into Ifrit (Hard Mode), I'm simply unsettled by the new attitudes it has aroused in my communities. Needless to say, I don't find the effort required to be worth the weapon, but at the same time, I'm surprised that the aim of the development team seems to just be taken seriously by people who troll them for harder content.

My only question is whether content added simply for extreme challenge, due to its limited-time inclusion in Final Fantasy XIV, will be easier to complete given post-1.20 additions, giving those who aren't necessarily interested in the "Omfg, we did it, we're amazing." factor (the majority of the demographic) access. If not, it's not a big deal - I just find it rather disappointing. If the game were to be operational in this form through its closure, I wouldn't bother to ask - but this is content that will be disappearing. The question bears asking, and asking alone does not by default imply requests for the removal of challenge.

Your attitude, by far, eclipses anything negative I could think as a result, however. Attitudes like your's are a cancer on the entire concept of games for the sake of enjoyment. Even on a forum dedicated to discussion about the enjoyment of such things you need to exhibit such a toxic and judgmental position as if the game itself were your only validation and I was directly challenging your right to it. And you claim the game isn't entirely about me for asking the simple question outlined above?

That's less worth my time than meeting the stigma detailed in my musings. I'm not at odds with the game, only the behaviors fostered within the gaming community by the spicy food metaphor above. I'm deeply bothered by the fact I'm even compelled to reply to your last post, you sad, angry little man...


Congratulations, though, that is by far the most unnecessarily rude and bellicose thing I have ever read on this forum. It should come with its own Lodestone achievement. My god, you're an asshole. I concede this thread if this it what it has declined into. Lock it. If this is what a simple question implies of the asker - the argument and misunderstanding of intent isn't even worth the answer.

Wow so let me get this straight, you don't play, and you have never done Ifrit?

So this was just one giant experiment in trolling to try and get them to remove one of the few encounters in the game people find challenging.

What I find disturbing is your Brave New World level of blasé attitude regarding entertainment. Seriously man get in line for some Soma, and drown out your dreary existence with some "feelies"... really knock yourself out. If that is what you are into who am I to stop you.

However, some of us appreciate thinking, and challenging ourselves. Why do you have to campaign so hard to deprive us of that just because you have lost some piece of your soul that allows you to enjoy it. What does it matter to you? Can't you just play the game (or as it happens to be not play the game) and leave us in peace? This is the kind of attitude that is ruining gaming as a legitimate form of adult entertainment.

[Nephera]

I bought my level 50 armor before materia was implemented and i'm going to use it gosh darn it.


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