Divine seal as role additional skill.

[Fernosaur]

That's the problem. The other roles never *HAD* their equivalents. Protect, Cleric Stance and Divine Seal were all unique whm abilities. Protect and the Pro/Shell trait got passed to SCH and AST in 3.0. Cleric stance has always been passed out and now Divine Seal is gone. All the roles had an esuna-esque ability so that's not a problem. But what does SCH give us? Eye for an Eye... ONE ability. What does AST give us? Jack $hit.

Sigh...

• All three healers had a way to increase Healing potency. AST has Synastry, WHM has Divine Seal, SCH has Dissipation and Fey Illumination. It is likely that they'll all lose these in favor of the cross-role Divine Seal clone.
  
• Scholar is "losing" Eye for an Eye. This might actually suck quite a bit cause I'm not sure the new E4E will interact at all with Deployment Tactics. That is, if Deployment Tactics even makes it into the expansion.
  
• All three healers are losing Esuna, Leeches and Exalted Detriment.
• WHM and SCH are losing Virus (and it's likely that AST is losing Disable), since it is now being ported to a Caster DPS role skill, depriving us from a big form of mitigation. A much harder hit for SCH and AST since their mitigation debuffs were far stronger.
  
• SCH and AST are COMPLTELY LOSING Aero and Stoneskin. Aero is a particularly hard hit for SCH DPS, and while it's not a horrible hit for AST, it was necessary for weaving cards in-between GCDs.
  
• SCH is losing Blizzard II, which is the only form of AoE nuke they have once Bane is set. AST is also losing Blizzard II pre-50, which means they will have no AoE until lvl 52.
  
• WHM, SCH and AST are all losing their Heavy inflicts (Stone, Miasma and Stella) in favor of Break.
  
• It is also very likely that AST is "losing" Luminiferous Aether, while I find it even more likely that SCH's MP regeneration through Aetherflow is being severely nerfed due to the addition of Lucid Dream. What impact this will have on the job, we still have to wait and see. It's also likely that SCH has lost the ability to let Eos freely heal party members automatically, which will completely change the job's current core mechanics, and it also is likely a hard nerf.

Please stop crying about WHM being absolutely shafted by these role-based skills. The only thing you're uniquely "losing" is Protect. SCH and AST are losing access to very important skills too, yet you don't see us doomsaying about our jobs being destroyed.

At least wait a little bit until the game is actually released before crying wolf. It's only been a couple of hours and it's already getting horribly old.

[Yuyuka3]

Sigh...

• SCH and AST are COMPLTELY LOSING Aero and Stoneskin. Aero is a particularly hard hit for SCH DPS, and while it's not a horrible hit for AST, it was necessary for weaving cards in-between GCDs.

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well. Aero might be borderline useless, but it was always nice to apply on the go, e.g. while avoiding AoE. Yes, you do lose some skills, too, but by far not as much as WHM, sorry.

[Ariane]

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well. Aero might be borderline useless, but it was always nice to apply on the go, e.g. while avoiding AoE. Yes, you do lose some skills, too, but by far not as much as WHM, sorry.

But if aero is getting merged with aero II, that could mean aero II will be instant cast.

[Yuyuka3]

But if aero is getting merged with aero II, that could mean aero II will be instant cast.

It is instant, yes. But instant still only means that the 'cast time' got moved to the end of the spell for me. It would really depend on the potency the skill dishes out if it's worth it, if you ask me. For now, it's a neutral change to me.



Kabzy, I don't know. I mean, I helped out two statics from my FC recently, both who regularly run AST, and both complained about being slower than usual. Since I'm dishing out quite a bit of dps, and know for a fact that at least one of those AST's is super lazy with dps, the only reason for that can be AST cards, which speaks volumes to me.

[Hustensaft]

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well.

I doubt that Aero and Aero II will be merged.

Aero and Aero II (or all DoTs for that regard) are similar to the new Thunder I and Thunder II, and not in the same group as Stone I - IV. Stone II did turn Stone I useless. Aero II never turned Aero useless.

Merging Aero and Aero II would require adding their Potency - but that has massive implications on the damage / gcd value for each DoT.

[Ariane]

I doubt that Aero and Aero II will be merged.

Aero and Aero II (or all DoTs for that regard) are similar to the new Thunder I and Thunder II, and not in the same group as Stone I - IV. Stone II did turn Stone I useless. Aero II never turned Aero useless.

Merging Aero and Aero II would require adding their Potency - but that has massive implications on the damage / gcd value for each DoT.

The WHM in the job action video uses an instant cast Aero II. Yoshi-P doesn't have Aero on his hotbar either: http://i.imgur.com/nkS2IPo.png

Its not Aero II that made Aero useless, it was Stone III that makes it nearly useless. It would be even more useless with Stone IV and its not even a cross class skill anymore.

[HopeEstheim]

I mean, you don't know what will replace Divine Seal yet, we know absolutely nothing about the new potency of these new healing spells, and we know nothing about the strength of the new "flower barrier"

Why are you ALREADY complaining? And I'm almost 100% sure that the spells will be automatically replaced with new ones, because PLD get a new lvl 46 spell replacing Bulwark. Wait and see what you get, maybe the 60-70 spells are going the "pure healer" route but the old ones may give a form of support. Even in the new ones there're animations that look like buffs

Oh, and SCH and AST might be nerfed too, the trailer showing the fairy link seems like a fairy nerf since she won't be a 100% uptime healbot, and I don't see any Balance card in the AST trailer either. Oh and do not forget "Lucid Dream", if LA and Aetherflow see their mana regen disappear for this 21s mana regen, it's literally a buff for WHM mana regen and a nerf to AST & SCH mana regen....

Do not forget that we will be getting 100% accuracy and the removal of stance dacing help WHM a lot since it will really shine dps-wise.

[Yorumi]

I mean, you don't know what will replace Divine Seal yet, we know absolutely nothing about the new potency of these new healing spells, and we know nothing about the strength of the new "flower barrier"

Because a barrier was the least of a whm's problems(and thanks to divine seal sch/ast barriers just got even bigger). On top of that the potencies of whm heals don't much matter. They could make the recast of bene the gcd and people would still prefer sch and ast because they have party buffs. The reason whm isn't picked for a slot has nothing to do with it's damage, it's mp management, or it's ability to put up barriers, it entirely relates to it's lack of ability to buff party damage.

[HopeEstheim]

Because a barrier was the least of a whm's problems(and thanks to divine seal sch/ast barriers just got even bigger). On top of that the potencies of whm heals don't much matter. They could make the recast of bene the gcd and people would still prefer sch and ast because they have party buffs. The reason whm isn't picked for a slot has nothing to do with it's damage, it's mp management, or it's ability to put up barriers, it entirely relates to it's lack of ability to buff party damage.

Who said that we get a copy/pasted Divine Seal for the three healers? It could be 20% and they remove the % of healing buff from Synastry/Dissipation, while WHM keep another way to boost it's healing potency. Again it's just speculation and we don't even have the true numbers to compare. Did we had the tooltip of the spell that have the same icon as Divine Seal to begin with?
And how do SCH buff party damage without Selene? You take a SCH because they have strong barrier, strong DPS, really good MP management, and strong and consistant healing...

[Fernosaur]

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well. Aero might be borderline useless, but it was always nice to apply on the go, e.g. while avoiding AoE. Yes, you do lose some skills, too, but by far not as much as WHM, sorry.

Aero was already almost useless for WHM because of less potency than Stone, only useable because of MP management and some calculations based around high Spellspeed. You only used it on the move or when Fluid Aura or Assize were ready.

WHM is getting Stone IV now, which will probably be around either 250 to 300 potency. Aero II becoming instant isn't a loss, you're gaining an instant DoT that wasn't before.

Also, the removal of Accuracy of course benefits all of us, but WHM even more so because of the initial potency DoTs.

The removal of Stoneskin (which isn't confirmed yet, btw), is probably because they didn't want to keep having HP% based shields, since they would only get better and better with time. Right now, Stoneskin is a better shield on a WAR than Adloquium, and we can only be sure that HP values are probably gonna go through the roof by the end of Stormblood. WHM is gaining a new shield anyways, and who's not to say this shield will be the replacement skill for Stoneskin?

As I said before, everyone is crying wolf way too early. Give it time to at least see the patch notes and then we can all cry wolf together.