5 reasons why PS4 players need a parser in game

[akaneakki]

If you really want a parser bad enough to complain in the forums, play on PC. If you couldn't care less and play the game for fun, it doesn't matter if you use PC or PS4.

Some people improving the playstyle is their part of funt too? Is it fun being bad in game for me? Hell no, so ofc I love when I know I improved and keep doing so. It's fun for me and it's fun for people who wish to improve too.

[Arrius]

Ever occured to you that people think growing as a character, improving the playstyle is their part of funt too? Is it fun being bad in game for me? Hell no, so ofc I love when I know I improved and keep doing so. It's fun for me and it's fun for people who wish to improve too.

Keep in mind, we talk about the genuine bad here, that are either unwilling to get better or just are lazy.

That's what the most people advocate for the implementation of a parser - So that we can filter them out effectively and have them not rest on our backs, especially with the upcoming expansion and the new jobs.

[akaneakki]

Keep in mind, we talk about the genuine bad here, that are either unwilling to get better or just are lazy.

That's what the most people advocate for the implementation of a parser - So that we can filter them out effectively and have them not rest on our backs, especially with the upcoming expansion and the new jobs.

That is true. However from my point of view, parser is also there for people who want's to improve and also like you said, those who do extremely bad needs a kick on their butt.

[Nyxn607]

Some people improving the playstyle is their part of funt too? Is it fun being bad in game for me? Hell no, so ofc I love when I know I improved and keep doing so. It's fun for me and it's fun for people who wish to improve too.

People can improve their play style without a parser. Is it useful to show someone that they can improve their rotation? Maybe. Do parser's lead to issues with harassment? Definitely. The fact is, a parser already exists as a third party system for PC. It doesn't need to exist on PS4. If it is such a great tool, SE would have added it in by now.

"Fun" is a flexible term. So, your definition of fun, will not mean the same thing as another person's definition of fun. For example, you find a parser to be "fun." I find a parser to be a life sucking tool on the game. It is all about opinion and past experience's or lack their of in other MMO's.

[akaneakki]

People can improve their play style without a parser. Is it useful to show someone that they can improve their rotation? Maybe. Do parser's lead to issues with harassment? Definitely. The fact is, a parser already exists as a third party system for PC. It doesn't need to exist on PS4. If it is such a great tool, SE would have added it in by now.

"Fun" is a flexible term. So, your definition of fun, will not mean the same thing as another person's definition of fun. For example, you find a parser to be "fun." I find a parser to be a life sucking tool on the game. It is all about opinion and past experience's or lack their of in other MMO's.

Let me ask you this. You do a savage or extreme primal. You enter and then you do really low (just a feeling you have) you do it over 20 times and you think you still do good and then later find out you didn't do so well as you thought it be.What would you think or feel at this point? You know what this is like? The feeling of doing good. People asume, not everyone but some do because they see hard crits and so on, but has no meaning when they do lower everywhere else. So yes a paser can improve you form of rotations in an actuall fight. There is no maybe, it WILL help them improve. If you had a parser avaible and let's say you did 40% of out of let's say 75-80% of what you should do, then adjust your rotation depending on the damage you do. Suddenly you see a change and you try to change again to get even more damage. There is no ''maybe'' it will improve players who are using it as a tool to help themselves out, which is what a parser do. Do rotation lead to issues with harrasement? Sure, but then you rarely see it even when so many pc player using it. The reason isn't becaue it's ''bannable'' using it, the reason is because it's harrasment calling people shit. SE think the community has no flaws and then think it will add it. There is so much flaw in the community. I see even the most amazing, great and helpful people in game and on the forum who gets spitted on their faces for trying to help others.

Let me put your example here: ''Can a parser improve a persons rotation'' You say maybe, I say yes. Why? People who actually gave out rotations used a parser to see how to maximize it. Then you say ''Do parser lead to issues with harrasment''
That's like saying; I can use chat in every duty finder and it can lead to harrasment. There is 90% more chance of being harrased by a persn whos not willing to improve and help the group, than a person using a parser harrasing you.

And like you said ''Fun'' is a flexibale term. You said people shouldn't care about a parser as long they have fun. So I will repeat myself; it's fun for some people to improve themselves. And keep in mind, some people's ''fun'' isn't fun for others. A guy spamming fire and ice between every 2 cast might be fun for that person, but clearly not as much fun for the other people in the group. If you want to go with that mentality, nothing would been done and if it was, it would take ages. I highly doubt people want to get stuck in 1 hour expert roulette when they are sick and tired of the same 2 dungeons for months. I doubt it's fun when something is fun when you hit enrage every 2-3 fights. If you are good at something and you do the same thing all over again, not will you only save time but other players time too. It's like saying it's fine to work at your job for 5 years and be bad at it as you were the first week because you weren't used to it. There is no asset to that.

Like I said, having the feeling you do good vs actually doing good is a huge difference.

[Nyxn607]

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In response to the first part of your comment, if you are telling me that a parser alone will make EVERYONE improve, I am calling BS. All a parser does is show you a number that may nor may not be 100% accurate. What the person does with that info is up to the person using the parser. Not every single player using a parser will choose to act upon those numbers in a positive way.

If you are saying that a PERSON using a parser COULD improve, then I will agree. Which is why I said, "will using a parser help someone improve? Maybe." As stated above, there is no guarantee that a parser alone WILL make someone improve, as you put it. The possibility is there however.

As for the second part of your comment, sure you can find harassment any where if you look for it. Introducing a parser that is built into the game will just add another tool to encourage harassment from certain players. I am not saying you will harass another person, because you use a parser. However it also doesn't mean another person using a parser won't harass someone because of some number.

For your third comment, again your term of fun and mine differ. Your definition of fun will differ from other people in your static/fc/group/friends how ever slight the difference may be. End of story.

[akaneakki]

Having a parser is not required. Personally, I'm no dps god, but I can FEEL when I'm not doing a lot.

[B]Let me ask you this. You do a savage or extreme primal. You enter and then you do really low (just a feeling you have) you do it over 20 times and you think you still do good and then later find out you didn't do so well as you thought it be.What would you think or feel at this point?.

There is also a lot of people ''feeling'' they do good and they get out damaged by garuda egi. Or a PLD in full tank stance, even a DRK. So I don't get the point of the ''feeling'' you have. Read the post I quoted myself from.

Almost as hilarious as you thinking switching to pc and using a parser made you better.

Having a parser won't magically make you a better player, using a parser to know where you are failing and working on that makes you better.

What this guy said. It's also up to the person how they use the tool too. It made many of my ps4 to pc friends better, since they use the tool to help them out.

Or you could just use Stone, Sea, Sky and practice to a mirror shine without a parser. That works too. .

I didn't know that fights had no mechanics so beating SSS would be totally fine to do, but when you are in fight you do 40% less than you did on a actually SSS. Many people I know beat the SSS but means nothing when they don't know how to manage CD's in fights. SSS means nothing but knowing your rotation outside a fight not inside. Give a BLM a fight where to move a lot vs a BLM who stands still on a dummy... there is a big difference.

IFor your third comment, again your term of fun and mine differ. Your definition of fun will differ from other people in your static/fc/group/friends how ever slight the difference may be. End of story.

It wont make everyone improve, it will make people improve for those who wish to improve. It's a choice to use a tool much as a choice to leave 7 people alone in a group because they actually pull effort. No one should join a group when they know they can pull enough effort 80-85%. If a person did use a parser, they could improve yes, because they are using it and obviously trying to get better. If I gave a parser to you, that would be totally up to you, wishing to use it or not.
Parser wont add a lot more harrasment than you think it will. If this was the case, then you might as well never use duty finder or chatlog, since it's already there and people can use it and call people out names. But why isn't it happening ALL the time? Because it's offensive, much as offensive calling people shit with a parser even without.... And I'm glad you said ''I'm not saying you will harass another person, because you use a parser'' You see, there is so many people with one these days and they don't.
The parser will not only be a great tool to help people who wish to use it but it's a thing to call out people who claim they doing enough and say how everyone else is shit. You don't need a person to tell them anymore.
And yes I agree, the term of fun of mine and yours is different. That's what I made the statement about fun. Your fun doesn't mean it's someone elses fun. That's why I was quoting you on the part where you said ''it doesn't matter as long you have fun''
It's fine people have fun on their own time and also how they do things, but remember... the fun should INCLUDE EVERYONE, not just 1 in a group.

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I don't necessarily think it has to do with being afraid of change. I think it as difference of want and need. PS4 doesn't need a parser and honestly PC doesn't either. As long as you can clear content without one, there is not a need for it.

Might as well tell people who actually follows a opener and rotation for every class to stop using the opener and rotations. Since those openers and rotations was optimized with a parser.

[Nyxn607]

It's fine people have fun on their own time and also how they do things, but remember... the fun should INCLUDE EVERYONE, not just 1 in a group.

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Might as well tell 90% of the people who actually follows a opener for every class to stop using the opener. Since those openers was made with parsers.

You say to include everyone, which would mean SE would make a parser optional. Which is what we have now with third party programs, that they are turning a blind eye to.

Might as well tell 90% of the people who actually follows a opener for every class to stop using the opener. Since those openers was made with parsers.

What is your source for this? Without a source, these are just random numbers you decided to put in to make a point.

[Sebazy]

What is your source for this? Without a source, these are just random numbers you decided to put in to make a point.

It's not conjecture, the more reliant a class is on dot damage, the more dependant they are on parser data to truly optimise their overall DPS once you go beyond 'how big can I make my best nuke get?'. This is an unfortunate side effect of how the game currently presents data to the player.

Loose chat log timestamps and horribly vague dot damage feedback is the easiest way to confirm this.

[akaneakki]

[/I]What is your source for this? Without a source, these are just random numbers you decided to put in to make a point.

I wont go so much into detais but this thread [/URL] will give you some insight. Dervy use to be in the FC I am in now and he was standing on the dummy strike for hours to calculate with a parser and find out what's best for many classes out there. Heard about Ariyala website, where to find out your BiS slots? That's based on Dervy's and other peoples calculations from a parser.And why do you say random numbers?? And what I meant with everyone should have fun, is that most people want a savage clear or ex primal but wont do their job as DPS for example. Is it fun for me to wipe because 1 guy is causing us to wipe due to enrage? This game screams ''do this amount of damage or it will kill you'' So yes it takes away my fun and other people in the group who actually want to kill or farm something. If a person spends hours and hours for details for us, that's dedication and someone who actually tries to help out, unlike people who tries to call them ''elitist, toxic etc'' for using a parser. It's amazing how much a parser have helped a lot of players and still do.