5 reasons why PS4 players need a parser in game

[akaneakki]

but they are a lot more waiting to have a legal form to spit on others face, so no matter what im with yoshi, western comunity need learn how to help each other and have mutual respect and stop, the mentor system is a proof a parser go to be a lot worse.

Legal way to spit on others faces? I will say it once more again. Being offensive is still offensive. If someone tells you that you underperform in a nice way, it's not spitting or offensive, simple as that. You say that western community needs to learn how to help each other and have mutal respect. My BF comes from asian culture and he plays with tons of asian players as well in other games and also in FFXIV. What did I learn from it? Respect goes both ways. In japanese/asian culture, if you look at korean/japanese servers even chinese, they ONLY join, knowing they will actually do well, in fact also only join knowing the whole fight too. On western servers as you call them, doesn't do that. What respect is that towards 6-7 other players? Respect? Again goes both ways. If someone joines my group for farm and I KNOW he underperforms, I will tell him/her what to do, as in should look up guides, gives them tips and so on, if they can't deal with it, well that's their choice, but respect the fact I don't want 1 player or 2 wasting other peoples time. People needs to stop thinking giving advice is such a bad thing. You seen it everywhere, forums, reddit and on the game quite a lot. Giving tips to players or asking a simple question; why don't you use darkaside? You get ''you shut up or I tell you how to play'' You call this respect? C'mon.

And let's be honest here, there is bunch of wannabe mentors in this game, most doesn't even know how to play their main class. The real ones are the ones who stay in silent, because they are afraid they get shit on their face for helping someone.
And it's also stupid to say that western community needs to get better, when the actually ones at fault are those who proclaim themselves good to the community but actually build toxic attitude towards others. A parser will tell them (without others telling them) how they perform. This way they know how they perform and they have options: Stop calling people shit, when you know how you perform, get better or simply both. Even if you get better, you have no right to talk shit towards others and this is what soo many people in this forum and game in general been saying.

How about starting to help people and then you will see what I talk about.

Also I know people who plays games with official parsers too. The % rate of people getting better is higher, especially in a combat heavy game such as Blade & Soul. That game requires shitton of dps and they have a parser now. It's funny how many people on this game use a parser but barely few of them actually harras people. Why? Because it's offensive to harras people. What's so hard to understand that?

but if he knew he probably would've either kicked them or spewed vitriol at the person with the lowest DPS. And that's not exactly fair. I was crap at my job

But if he was going to be an asshole towards the person, if he had a parser, you simply report him. You see, people join groups and expect others to do their job, this is totally unfair. There is a lot of silent kicks these days and it's sad how true it is.. Serveral reasons is because they either in denial they do bad, they simply think it's offensive when someone tells them ''hey you are behind on the rest, but I'm more than willing to help you out with rotations and such or send you a guide'' Who is to blame when this becomes offensive? I'm myself afraid to help people out, unless I know them well, other than that I will keep my self shut. Want to know why mentors, the very best ones are quiet too? Same reason as mine. Eeverything is freaking offensive today.

[shao32]

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re read my post i whrite more bcs i miss the second part of you post, and i say "mutual respect" with that means respect in both ways, so please relax.

second you talk about bad aptitudes about players how dont want to lear, is rue i never say we dont have those ones, but you are avoiding the matter as you find toxic bad players you can find toxic elitist players, bad actitude is in both ways lady, from elitist and underperfoming players, parser allow this elitist jerks being more jerks in a legal way, and if we take the "parsers go to improve all performance" thats means the bad underperfoming jerks go to be better and being more jerks that before.

parser is a damm number, a number how dont say absolute nothing new to you, you have already direct tools in the game to perform yourself, its the player actitude in every skill level how need to change not add more and more tools to harras eachother, parsers harras has being proof being a lot worse and have more negative impact in many players that any bad actitude you can find now, i know how japan and asian comunity works in general, we work diferent but not necesary worse at exception of the bad actitudes, i actually enjoy the actual comunity of the game, compared to wow and others this is the heaven and i dont want this heaven turns in a elitist hell.

[YitharV2]

But if he was going to be an asshole towards the person, if he had a parser, you simply report him...Everything is freaking offensive today.

That's true. However, the thing is though you can't report for other people, so the person being harassed would have to do it. My worry is it might discourage the person from doing casual story content.

No, I understand your viewpoint on advice and I agree with it. In fact, I'm on a specific Discord server designed for centralizing job guides and I see stuff posted there all the time about people joining farm parties who don't know their job.

[SpookyGhost]

Any argument against personal parsers is, frankly, stupid.

It would literally harm no one to be able to see how much damage you, personally, are doing per second. Then you can just have a letter grade or w/e to tell you how good you are doing when you wipe or even as the fight goes on. This does nothing but give the player more information that will better help them improve as without a number they've no idea how far off they are from where they need to be.

I also don't buy the argument against parsers in general. We already have them, PS4 players just can't use them. People apparently don't realize it, but you don't need to say "you are being kicked because you are doing garbage DPS" - you can just say "you are being kicked because you are under performing" (or you can literally say nothing and kick them). We would literally gain no toxicity from adding parsers to the game, if the game were to be toxic with a parser then it already is. The only thing adding a parser would do is give everyone the same level of information and probably increase the skill of the playerbase since now people actually have useful information.

[YitharV2]

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If you watch Yoshi-P's response (see clip), his argument is that people will ask you and it will lead to fighting. He's also worried that people will use it to figure out how to make it show party DPS. I'm not sure if I 100% agree with his arguments, but those are his arguments.

It's true people are already toxic without parsers, but I can see an actual parser just making the toxicity worse. I don't think the toxic PLD was parsing as he didn't seem to actually know who needed to be kicked, but if he knew he probably would've either kicked them or spewed vitriol at the person with the lowest DPS. And that's not exactly fair. I was crap at my job when I did Bismarck. OTOH, a parser would've probably shown that he and his ninja friend weren't as hot as they thought. The thing is not everyone parses because it's an add-on tool. But for the people who do parse, I think things wouldn't change that much.

[SpookyGhost]

If you watch Yoshi-P's response (see clip), his argument is that people will ask you and it will lead to fighting. He's also worried that people will use it to figure out how to make it show party DPS.

Only a fraction of the community would need to ask someone for their numbers (the ones on PS4), and then only a small fraction of that fraction would actually do it. I think that small percentile of people isn't worth denying the rest of us on PS4 useful information. Also if anyone's going to figure out how to make it show party DPS it's going to be the PC community and they won't because... they already have ACT.

[YitharV2]

Only a fraction of the community would need to ask someone for their numbers (the ones on PS4), and then only a small fraction of that fraction would actually do it. I think that small percentile of people isn't worth denying the rest of us on PS4 useful information. Also if anyone's going to figure out how to make it show party DPS it's going to be the PC community and they won't because... they already have ACT.

Well like I said, those are his arguments, not mine. To him he probably doesn't think it's worth it for the small percentage that would ask. And I agree as well.

[thegreatonemal]

Any argument against personal parsers is, frankly, stupid.

It would literally harm no one to be able to see how much damage you, personally, are doing per second. Then you can just have a letter grade or w/e to tell you how good you are doing when you wipe or even as the fight goes on. This does nothing but give the player more information that will better help them improve as without a number they've no idea how far off they are from where they need to be.

Again a paser in and of it does will help anything improve how are they supposed to improve if they don't even know what they are doing is wrong. using your letter grade system you get a D in a primal fight your next questions are why and how the game says nothing just gives you a 4 digit number and a letter grade but hey you all cleared the fight so you must of been doing something right. Without context numbers are useless letter grades are useless its either add an FFlogs type option to go along with it or its pointless

[Sebazy]

using your letter grade system you get a D in a primal fight your next questions are why and how the game says nothing just gives you a 4 digit number and a letter grade but hey you all cleared the fight so you must of been doing something right. Without context numbers are useless letter grades are useless its either add an FFlogs type option to go along with it or its pointless

The game literally gives you nothing but a pat on the back regardless of if you did world first grade DPS or just paid for a carry promptly sat on the floor for the entire instance. How is this any worse? The idea behind this is to give people a hint that 'hey, perhaps you're missing a trick there', going any further than that right out of the gate is going to get people's backs up so it's just not worth it yet.

[thegreatonemal]

The game literally gives you nothing but a pat on the back regardless of if you did world first grade DPS or just paid for a carry promptly sat on the floor for the entire instance. How is this any worse? The idea behind this is to give people a hint that 'hey, perhaps you're missing a trick there', going any further than that right out of the gate is going to get people's backs up so it's just not worth it yet.

Because that missing trick as you call it only applies to 10% of the gameplay ex primals and savage raids. Your little example does nothing to help those people who want to improve because they have no idea what they could have done differently because they have no context.