5 reasons why PS4 players need a parser in game

[whiteblade89]

it's unfair that PS4 players don't have the ability to use it to.

I get where you're coming from, but the fairness of it isn't really SE's problem. They don't officially condone the use of parsers despite that fact that a lot of people openly use them. It comes down to PC's being ABLE to run third-party parsers whereas consoles can't. It would be unfair if they added an in-game parser but only gave it to PC players. That's unfair. As it is, it's merely a difference in technology design between a PC and a console.


That being said I've always been somewhere in the middle on this issue. If they added an in-game parser then I would use it to perfect my rotation even though I feel like I've already mastered my main class which is NIN. It would certainly help me perfect alt classes like MCH and DRK. Then again I'm perfectly fine if they never add one because I enjoy being able to overcome the challenge of learning a class based on my own abilities to problem solve and think critically about my toolkit.

Bottom line is that there is far too big of a stigma around parsers and the potential for harassment for SE to condone an in-game parser. At least for now.

[HiroKirito]

1) While I feel the devs should stop this, I support their reasons for not doing so (as long as people are doing it for themselves and not judging others, it's fine if they want to do it.)
2) This *should* be a banable offense and if it's not. They should make it one.

Adding in game parsers would be a huge mistake. If you think it's bad currently, it'll get 5000x worse as soon as SE gives that part of the community an inch.

Personally I feel this assumption is part of the problem, I'm guessing by "that part of the community" you mean raiders, and you're lumping them in with people who harass in random DF and PFs? Sorry if I have misinterpreted that ^^

Anyway, when it comes to raiding and in particular progression raiding I think it's widely accepted that even if it's technically a no go, it is something that is still used on a wide scale. "Judgement" is a part of it, if you're a commited group then you will ultimately be looking where there's space to improve.

As a PS4 player, when I started raiding (I thought I was ready) it became apparent very quickly that there was a gap between myself and others. No one harassed me over it just the data was made available, and I took a step back and thought "wow I need to fix this" and I did. If this had been allowed in game I would have known this for myself and could have acted on my own sooner.

In addition ik statics looking for players for 4.0 right now and during a fight you don't have time to watch every move the person on trial makes, I feel it is kind of obvious anyway without a parser but it clarifies the "gap" with factual information, plenty of people are unaware there's an issue until the information is avalaible for them. I mean they may not be doing half the dps of the next closest person (talking strictly dps classes here) which is fine imo in random parties, can't have those expectations of others.

I completely agree that if group parsers were made available throughout content then bad apples would call people out and harass them and that it's a legitimate concern for the wider community.

But I fail to understand the concerns about parsers being made available for personal use, especially within a savage raid environment. That's what I personally feel the majority of the pro-parser crowd would be content with.

I just get the impression that people don't think the pro-parser crowd want to self-improve and that the only reason they request it is for harassment purposes.

[RaijinSupreme]

Hold on. The devs of FFXIV are not the ones that is providing these parsers to PC players, Don't blame them for something they don't have control over, as if its SE's fault that PC players have parsers and PS4 players don't. It was not in their plans to provide a parser to us, and they shouldn't have to be subjected to this ridicule because of it.

Also, every single person who bought a PS4 and decided that they wanted to play this game, which has ALWAYS been available for PC, have known or should have known that there will be things that are not accessible to them, seeing how a console is way more limited than a PC. This has always been the case for practically every game that is available on both consoles and PC's. From graphics, to mods, to add-ons, consoles have never been able to get them they way PC does, and this is nothing but another example of it.

You want to blame someone for why you can't have a parser on PS4? blame the people who made the console. You want to have a parser so bad? Get a PC and play the game there.

[akaneakki]

. But I don't NEED to have it. Though reflecting on this topic a bit, I can only speak for myself in that regard.

Which is fine, if you want to take things slow, then you do it. However you can't expect others to do your way, just like people can't expect their way, unless you join a group where fast progression as in mediocre or hardcore. Or groups who already have things on farm and demand people knowing the fight in and out with good amount of dmg input.I've played many old school games and I've played games where I have to figure things on my own too, which is fine. But on a game on FF14 there is so much more than we had in previous old games, which makes it ''harder'' for us to find out what's optimal.worse. If people harras with a parser, it's still harrasment. If people want to improve with a parser avaible, great!! If not, that's their choice. But they can't expect others to do their job. We aren't all bots who just going to sit back and pretend it's fine. A parser is a tool just like other helpful tool out there in the world. If there is anything I've learned from work and IRL things and other games.. is that having a tool not only does improve yourself but improves others which makes progression and team work better. In fact it would also make things easier for all of us, that's excactly what tools are for.

You act like we all dont already know toxic people exist..

I don't act like it. People talks like parser will make it 10 times worse, when it wont. Harrasment is still harrasment. Douchebags will stil be douchebags. if they keep going even if it's official then that's their own fault for harrasing another player. If player 1 tells player 2 their dps is low and isn't good enough for said content (raid/ex primals) it's not harrasment. Some people just love to say it is however. If a parser do happen and people want to use to get better, great! However if there are people who don't, that's their choice. They just can't expect others to do their weight included. This is only fair to the group of 7 people.

HYou want to blame someone for why you can't have a parser on PS4? blame the people who made the console. You want to have a parser so bad? Get a PC and play the game there.

Easier said than done. You know devs knows many people, very many people who raid use a parser, we all know Yoshida knows they use it too. Why Yoshida won't put one in game is because he's afraid of the outcome. He always said he was a old MMO player, which I know he is and seen it from other games. What he doesn't know is that there is so much people can put up with, those who actually doesn't want to get better and try to put a burde on the group that they join. I respect Yoshida as a player and a fellow business man, but he has to look outside the green field. I also get why he get's tired of the question, when someone ask about the parser. There is so many things they said they would put into game like add ons since 2.0 but never happened. Add on doesn't always mean parser but some sort of things we could use to improve gameplay.

[TaleraRistain]

I never said PS4 players are worse because we don't have a parser or that statics don't accept us, what I'm saying here is that we need a real time parser to get to a certain level above knowing your rotation or doing mechanics and PC players have that which is not fair to us and we have the right to ask SE to add it.

You don't have the right to ask SE to add it. They don't have one for PC players. That's a third party program. Go ask *that* company to make you a parser for PS4.

[savageink]

Technically, isn't using a parser a violation of the Terms of Service? I've heard the GMs pretty much ignore it, but if somebody were a real dick about parsed numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if they got kicked.

[Transient_Shadow]

Technically, isn't using a parser a violation of the Terms of Service? I've heard the GMs pretty much ignore it, but if somebody were a real dick about parsed numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if they got kicked.

yes. yes it is. and yes you can get banned for it

[Nyxn607]

If you really want a parser bad enough to complain in the forums, play on PC. If you couldn't care less and play the game for fun, it doesn't matter if you use PC or PS4. As far as I am concerned, a parser built into the game would only turn this game into a who has the bigger penis fest.

[bswpayton]

The funniest part of all about SE refusal to put in a praser they show you everyones dps at the end of pvp like Im wonder what the difference is here

[bswpayton]

If you really want a parser bad enough to complain in the forums, play on PC. If you couldn't care less and play the game for fun, it doesn't matter if you use PC or PS4. As far as I am concerned, a parser built into the game would only turn this game into a who has the bigger penis fest.

everyone is sayin a personal praser so that wouldnt be the case