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    Hold on. The devs of FFXIV are not the ones that is providing these parsers to PC players, Don't blame them for something they don't have control over, as if its SE's fault that PC players have parsers and PS4 players don't. It was not in their plans to provide a parser to us, and they shouldn't have to be subjected to this ridicule because of it.

    Also, every single person who bought a PS4 and decided that they wanted to play this game, which has ALWAYS been available for PC, have known or should have known that there will be things that are not accessible to them, seeing how a console is way more limited than a PC. This has always been the case for practically every game that is available on both consoles and PC's. From graphics, to mods, to add-ons, consoles have never been able to get them they way PC does, and this is nothing but another example of it.

    You want to blame someone for why you can't have a parser on PS4? blame the people who made the console. You want to have a parser so bad? Get a PC and play the game there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    . But I don't NEED to have it. Though reflecting on this topic a bit, I can only speak for myself in that regard.
    Which is fine, if you want to take things slow, then you do it. However you can't expect others to do your way, just like people can't expect their way, unless you join a group where fast progression as in mediocre or hardcore. Or groups who already have things on farm and demand people knowing the fight in and out with good amount of dmg input.I've played many old school games and I've played games where I have to figure things on my own too, which is fine. But on a game on FF14 there is so much more than we had in previous old games, which makes it ''harder'' for us to find out what's optimal.worse. If people harras with a parser, it's still harrasment. If people want to improve with a parser avaible, great!! If not, that's their choice. But they can't expect others to do their job. We aren't all bots who just going to sit back and pretend it's fine. A parser is a tool just like other helpful tool out there in the world. If there is anything I've learned from work and IRL things and other games.. is that having a tool not only does improve yourself but improves others which makes progression and team work better. In fact it would also make things easier for all of us, that's excactly what tools are for.


    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    You act like we all dont already know toxic people exist..
    I don't act like it. People talks like parser will make it 10 times worse, when it wont. Harrasment is still harrasment. Douchebags will stil be douchebags. if they keep going even if it's official then that's their own fault for harrasing another player. If player 1 tells player 2 their dps is low and isn't good enough for said content (raid/ex primals) it's not harrasment. Some people just love to say it is however. If a parser do happen and people want to use to get better, great! However if there are people who don't, that's their choice. They just can't expect others to do their weight included. This is only fair to the group of 7 people.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme View Post
    HYou want to blame someone for why you can't have a parser on PS4? blame the people who made the console. You want to have a parser so bad? Get a PC and play the game there.
    Easier said than done. You know devs knows many people, very many people who raid use a parser, we all know Yoshida knows they use it too. Why Yoshida won't put one in game is because he's afraid of the outcome. He always said he was a old MMO player, which I know he is and seen it from other games. What he doesn't know is that there is so much people can put up with, those who actually doesn't want to get better and try to put a burde on the group that they join. I respect Yoshida as a player and a fellow business man, but he has to look outside the green field. I also get why he get's tired of the question, when someone ask about the parser. There is so many things they said they would put into game like add ons since 2.0 but never happened. Add on doesn't always mean parser but some sort of things we could use to improve gameplay.
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    The funniest part of all about SE refusal to put in a praser they show you everyones dps at the end of pvp like Im wonder what the difference is here
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    I've said it before but SE added DPS checks to fights. If groups fail those of course people will want DPS numbers. If there were no DPS checks I don't think parsers would be a thing. SE cares enough to judge the player's DPS with these checks but won't allow the player to know their numbers?
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    This is something that we requested for years and sadly is not gonna happen anytime soon.

    But I can guarantee you that when Subs start dropping that's when they gonna add everything they refused to do from day 1 to keep subs going.
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    Even if you're correct OP, it's not happening. It's been asked and this is Yoshi-P's response.

    https://clips.twitch.tv/EphemeralCloudyDurianDendiFace
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    OP If you want to get technical, everyone is at a disadvantage when others use illegal means (against ToS) to gain an advantage. Not a very strong argument.
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    I used to be an adventurer, but then my ping increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailith-D View Post
    3- Using "Stone, Sky, Sea" only helps you if you are learning your job and your rotation, we all know DPSing in a fight is way different.
    if you recognize Stone,Sky Sea make you learn and create a better rotation to beat the dummys then ppl dont need anything more, you dont need a parser in combat for anything, adapt you rotation to the figth is something you learn with experience and you dont need a number to know you loss GL, blood of dragon, enochian, ect ect.

    to learn how to be better you only need 2 thinks, stone sky sea to learn a proper rotation and the % on enemy bars on, if the enemy % bar is getting low more faster that the last time means you are doing it better, if not you realice you screw it with you rotation.

    the tools are there for both ps4 and pc, ppl need to stop asking for the damm parser and use the tools they have in they hands to improve, yoshi say hundreds of time NO, parser is a pretty toxic tool, jerks still go to be jerks with or without thats true, the thing is dont let the jerks multiply and thats is what parsers do all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    the tools are there for both ps4 and pc, ppl need to stop asking for the damm parser and use the tools they have in they hands to improve, yoshi say hundreds of time NO, parser is a pretty toxic tool, jerks still go to be jerks with or without thats true, the thing is dont let the jerks multiply and thats is what parsers do all the time.
    Wanna know something? There are far more jerks without parser, who call people shit, but they actually underperform by 50% or more. A parser would help againt's this too

    Also when people mean shaming; Does it mean someone told you, that you underperformed and you took it the hard way? Or did they tell you, that youre totally shit etc? If last one, report them, I've reported far more people without a parser and they are jackasses and think they do well but they don't. Then if someone told you that you underform without being an ass about it, sorry to say, you are just too sensetive and need to fix that. If a person tells me I'm doing bad, I would listen to advice or look up guides. If someone told me I was shit, I would obviously fix myself, but it would obviously be nice if people actually give me feedback on how I play, not spitting it on me. This is why we have GM's in this game. You report them and that's it. I see soo many people provide screenshots where there is absoluttely NO shit talk, no harm or anything towards other players and yet they find it offensive? My mind is really blown. I would actually be afraid telling people on game or the forums what I eat etc, because it might offend them, knowing they might not like the food I eat lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    Wanna know something? There are far more jerks without parser, who call people shit, but they actually underperform by 50% or more. A parser would help againt's this too
    i go to tell you something, i main DRK but for raid things i was to do A12S with my second main monk, i learn my rotation reading my tooltips and testing my self in sonte sky..., the dummy of my fc house and dungeons adapting my rotation to the incoming mechanics (in fact im a player how prefer leveling on dungeons bcs there is where i learn to do my job and see if im underperfomming far better that any other place), i play on pc and the only time i see my numbers in a parser only show me what i already know, being top dps of the run.

    parsers are a knife, you can use it to cut you bad habits or to stab it in the players neck with a kick, idk you but i play other MMO where they have oficial parser and the comunity exigencys are pretty toxic most of the time, there is a lot of jerks as you say underperforming but they are a lot more waiting to have a legal form to spit on others face, so no matter what im with yoshi, western comunity need learn how to help each other and have mutual respect and stop, the mentor system is a proof a parser go to be a lot worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    second part i dint see
    you know i meet players how underperforming too in my runs, dragoons dont using blood of dragoon, blm doing bad, ect, stop the run and start to explaing the jobs mechanics are pretty agresive from my point of view and i dont know the player mood, instead of that i preffer let the player know he is underperfoming and watch vids and use stone sky can help it to be a awesome X job if he want, just to let it know, what he do is depend of hem, im not a player how expect every one do a super excelent work with they job, i always ready to adap my self, so thats why no matter what role i play i never find or get those salty moments as many ppl presumes to have.

    so what is better? have jerks how are underperfoming but even if you know they never go to change you know they never how to be able to clear hard content? or have a parser and let the players have free reasons to insta kick everyone how dont meet they dps exxpectations adding even more chance to get salty moments in every place? idk you but for the 1º one you have already tool to dealt with it, all depend of the comunity, for the other one no matter what you do, when the toxic actitudes around parsers infect the game is for ever and you cant remove it no matter what.
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