Gods and Jobs

[Anonymoose]

Maybe the twelve are really primals and we just don't know it yet. Or maybe elder primals like Odin.

/shudder. That might explain why the Archons seem to be playing both sides of the field (if, like me, you buy into the idea that the Paragons and Archons are the same entities). That'd make for a pretty sick story, though - finding out that the whole basis of your belief in God is the disguised worship of Wyrmking Bahamut - and then you have fight him because Final Fantasy is all about defying religion. (Seriously. Just pick up a Final Fantasy and play until you see your first vaguely religious figure. That's the bad guy. AND DON'T CALL ME OUT WITH XII, WHICH ONLY DEFIES THE FF FORUMLA BY DIRECTLY MIRRORING STAR WARS.)

Anecdotal bullsh!t on that topic, a friend and I purchased XIII on the same date and played through the first few chapters simultaneously while joking around. I made a lot of off-handed comment that it followed the Final Fantasy Formula a little too rigidly and how I "couldn't wait to see the first religious guy." Needless to say, as soon as we saw Barthandalus, my first reaction was, "Holy sh!t, it's the f**king Pope! Never mind the bad guy, he's gotta be going for the freakin' apocalypse!" Aaaand then... *SPOILER ALERT* TA-DAAAAAA.

[Esk]

Maybe the twelve are really primals and we just don't know it yet. Or maybe elder primals like Odin.

Maybe Odin isn't a Primal, a 3rd set of Gods would be cool!
Maybe the Primal are non human looking gods, like Greek Mythology maybe? Primals = Titans.

[grandm]

What class unlocks them has no bearing whatsoever on the identity of the class.

i think a job is tied to a class identity, dragoon. could only be one class the one that carry's a spear, monk could only be one class the lightly armoured fist thrower. when you think of a job the class should be easy to work out. that is kinda the question of this thread. yoshi said after 1.20 we would be able to work out what caster would get what job. suggesting that the class identity would remain with the job

[Anonymoose]

i think a job is tied to a class identity, dragoon. could only be one class the one that carry's a spear, monk could only be one class the lightly armoured fist thrower. when you think of a job the class should be easy to work out. that is kinda the question of this thread. yoshi said after 1.20 we would be able to work out what caster would get what job. suggesting that the class identity would remain with the job

In the case that Dreamer is correct without any room for a gray area, this would still be one of the accidental gimmes. The word dragoon implies NOTHING about actual dragons, a dragoon is a soldier capable of fighting as both cavalry and as infantry. You just can't accomplish that with any weapon, so one with reach makes most sense. Strangely enough, early dragoons were known for using firearms, so a gun wielding dragontamer wouldn't be totally out of the question, though it would be about as well-received as a bow-wielding bard (BADUM-TISH).

inb4 OMGVANDARNUSISADRAGOON

[RemVye]

In the case that Dreamer is correct without any room for a gray area, this would still be one of the accidental gimmes. The word dragoon implies NOTHING about actual dragons, a dragoon is a soldier capable of fighting as both cavalry and as infantry. You just can't accomplish that with any weapon, so one with reach makes most sense. Strangely enough, early dragoons were known for using firearms, so a gun wielding dragontamer wouldn't be totally out of the question, though it would be about as well-received as a bow-wielding bard (BADUM-TISH).

inb4 OMGVANDARNUSISADRAGOON

Yep, in the Foreboding the Forest archer quest where you go to Owl's nest you see two NPC's named XXXX Dragoon. One is using an axe and the other is using a sword and shield.

[irvm89]

Lore-wise: CNJ should be BLM because of their affinity to the elements. THM should be WHM because of their affinity towards life and death. This would be the scenario that would probably make the most sense for story-line reasons. However...

Mechanic-wise: CNJ will most likely be getting WHM because of the sheer amount of buffs they already have. THM will most likely be getting BLM because of the amount of debuffs they already have. WHM aren't known for their debuffs and BLM aren't known for their buffs.

Just my opinion. I'm hoping they don't completely limit the Job system to party play. I'd love to have a Job like BST or to be able to solo effectively with a Job instead of being somewhat forced into Classes for solo. It'd be more fun to focus on a single Job than to level all 8 classes just to solo effectively.

[Anonymoose]

It's fun to see the CNJ/THM/WHM/BLM thing so passionately discussed, but like most debates worth having, good points have been made by both sides and it's not going anywhere. (Though, to be fair, I find the whole "life and death" vs "the elements" thing to be tenuous at best due to the fact that neither of those have anything to do with the job mechanics and I can't find anyone from the THM=WHM crowd who'll touch the buff/debuff or damnation/brilliance things with a 10 foot pole). I guess we'll just have to wait for 1.20 and see!

[Kallera]

It's fun to see the CNJ/THM/WHM/BLM thing so passionately discussed, but like most debates worth having, good points have been made by both sides and it's not going anywhere. (Though, to be fair, I find the whole "life and death" vs "the elements" thing to be tenuous at best due to the fact that neither of those have anything to do with the job mechanics and I can't find anyone from the THM=WHM crowd who'll touch the buff/debuff or damnation/brilliance things with a 10 foot pole). I guess we'll just have to wait for 1.20 and see!

Even dark priests need love. Wizards can't have all the fun.

[Anonymoose]

Even dark priests need love. Wizards can't have all the fun.

D'awww. Good answer, lol.

I maintain, however, that this incarnation would not be a White Mage if it was about Life AND Death. White is attributed to purity - adding death and darkness to it, even only to balance and complement the light, would sully the whiteness. It'd be like... a gray mage. It's not my fault they're fluffy.

[Tsukino]

What they should do is make CNJ lead to BLM because they worship the elementals and use elemental magic. None of their curative or buffing stuff is ever mentioned in the storyline, it's just there. Then THM could lead to WHM by having you join the other temple in Ul'dah, the one made up of thaumaturges that worship Nald (life).

But this won't happen. It's obvious the development team is just going to give all the attack spells to THM and ignore the existing lore completely, because of the way they've already distributed abilities to THM and CNJ so far.

(Though, to be fair, I find the whole "life and death" vs "the elements" thing to be tenuous at best due to the fact that neither of those have anything to do with the job mechanics and I can't find anyone from the THM=WHM crowd who'll touch the buff/debuff or damnation/brilliance things with a 10 foot pole).

Because you're clearly having two separate arguments here. They're saying the lore taken by itself heavily favors THM->WHM and CNJ->BLM, which it does. You're saying the existing abilities (including animations, names, and descriptions) heavily favor THM->BLM and CNJ->WHM, which they do.

The question here is which the development team will sacrifice/rework in favor of the other, lore or ability distribution.