Tank Stances.

[KingFrost]

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If you're going to reply to me, please properly read my posts. I never said I was against stance dancing, nor should one not do it when optimization is key. In fact I actually said previously if the DPS is needed (Which it usually is for new raid content), then that level of optimization is often required to even frequently participate with consistent results (IE A static). On-content raiding requires mastery of one's job and the fight, to push those numbers and beat that enrage timer, and the fight period. This is known, Khaleesi. This doubly applies for speed farming for phase skips, and where 30 seconds over 15 runs may equal another run.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, and if not, I apologize, but I was never talking about on-content raiding, or general raiding period, but mainly DF, which is what was being primarily discussed. I'm assuming since everyone knows you have to be on your A game at the highest tiers of play and the only place this is consistently an "issue" is most, if not any, tier lower. My "few minutes" statement was in reference to saving time in dungeon runs or story prog 8 man instances, which again, is a conservative estimate and likely a gross exaggeration.

Just as well, all metas breed toxicity. No matter the game, if there is a larger number of people taking it seriously, toxicity shall exist. Just look at my involvement here. I properly worded my arguments only in regard to tanking and more casual content, only for someone to immediately say I make people carry me while doing the minimum. I think a lack of willingness to understand others or realize how not serious something is breeds as much toxicity as what you say breeds it.

That said, thank you, KingFrost, for saying what I've basically been trying to say through the entirety of this thread, and just about any discussion where the idea comes up.

Most arguments simply arise from misunderstanding or bad messaging. This thread has a a lot of both it seems.