Necromancer Identity Crisis

[Silverquick]

This is ad hominem fallacy. I don't think you've made a valid and rational argument this entire thread. People also don't necessarily keep their main updated on the forums. I've personally gone through phases maining one job for months, deciding I wanted a chance of pace, and maining something else for months. It's also not hard to play multiple jobs. Beyond that you really don't need to know a job mechanically to comment on the aesthetics of a job.

Oh yeah because.... you know... you obviously do play main it right? ....and of course any changes will totally affect YOU and...

....NOT THE PEOPLE WHO MAIN IT OR PLAY IT REGULARLY... right??

Or are you that arrogant that you truly believe you should just hop on and dictate to the people who do play it how the class SHOULD be?

Don't know how much more clear I can make that.

[Yorumi]

Oh yeah because.... you know... you obviously do play main it right? ....and of course any changes will totally affect YOU and...

....NOT THE PEOPLE WHO MAIN IT OR PLAY IT REGULARLY... right??

Or are you that arrogant that you truly believe you should just hop on and dictate to the people who do play it how the class SHOULD be?

Don't know how much more clear I can make that.

It's not hard to play multiple jobs. Using invalid arguments, logical fallacies, and irrationality is a good way to look like an idiot though. It's a very strong indicator that a person cannot defend their position at all, and essentially lends credibility to opposing positions by default. Really, person A presents a logically valid argument, person B bases the foundation of their argument on whether or not someone clicked a button a forum that is utterly meaningless when it comes to what they play in game. You havn't really contributed at all except name calling and whining that someone didn't click summoner before posting. Heck the original suggestion of a name change wouldn't even affect you.

[Silverquick]

It's not hard to play multiple jobs. Using invalid arguments, logical fallacies, and irrationality is a good way to look like an idiot though. It's a very strong indicator that a person cannot defend their position at all, and essentially lends credibility to opposing positions by default..

Yeah I totally called it...

You really are here to do just what I said... without even giving a damn what the people who actually play the job and main it say...

Do you really think any changes you want to make in the Summoner aren't going to majorly impact the people who actually DO main it and play it regularly?

Don't worry though, your arrogance isn't singular.... given the number of other people commenting on this thread that don't main it either... but somehow claim everyone else who does main it or play it regularly... should cater to them.

[Nerisu]

Oh yeah because.... you know... you obviously do play main it right? ....and of course any changes will totally affect YOU and...

....NOT THE PEOPLE WHO MAIN IT OR PLAY IT REGULARLY... right??

Or are you that arrogant that you truly believe you should just hop on and dictate to the people who do play it how the class SHOULD be?

Don't know how much more clear I can make that.

Just because they play it less than you doesn't mean their points become less valid but if that's how you want to put it then it's like you saying that my points are more valid than yours simply because I have more experience playing as FFXIV's summoner. That's not how it works, though.

[Yorumi]

Yeah I totally called it...

You really are here to do just what I said... without even giving a damn what the people who actually play the job and main it say...

Do you really think any changes you want to make in the Summoner aren't going to majorly impact the people who actually DO main it and play it regularly?

Don't worry though, your arrogance isn't singular.... given the number of other people commenting on this thread that don't main it either... but somehow claim everyone else who does main it or play it regularly... should cater to them.

Ok one last one because I'm strongly starting to suspect you're trolling. Two questions. 1. Where does it say you cannot play any job not listed as your main on the forums? 2. If you're not willing to even read posts you're replying to, why are you replying?

[Silverquick]

Well guess what there dude...

Maybe you should start thinking this through first...

[Shurrikhan]

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Let's just check something real quick...

Player 1 plays Summoner for 33% of content gametime, out of a total of 1000 hours.

Player 2 plays Summoner for 80% of content gametime, out of a total of 300 hours.

Would the opinions of Player 1 towards Summoner, as a mere "alt", then be weightless or otherwise invalid?

What's all this ruckus about "mains" this far into an expansion anyways? Are you refusing to gear up and master other jobs? Is it an exclusive loyalties kind of thing, emphasized even over becoming a well-rounded player who can help a new SB raid team in whatever way is needed?

[Iromi]

I've been here since 1.0, and been playing SMN as my main since 2.0 launch and, now that you mention it OP, Summoner really does feel like some kind of Necromancer. I love the class as it is now..and I will continue to stick with it as SMN has always been my favorite since its release in the FF series, to XI, to XIV. Heh, it would be cool if they renamed it to Necromancer..I'd love it actually :3

However! I would prefer to at least have a pet class..but I, like some others, have given up long on XIV having a pet class. All it comes down to really is that this team just cannot do it.

Also..glancing over the thread..someone said they were a gimp healer in XI? I don't know what kind of people they were playing with..but SMN was anything BUT a /WHM. I played SMN since XI launch in 2003 and only in EXP parties did I buff/heal, etc. In end game content I was always there for Predator Claws and Spinning Dive. If some end game linkshell has summoners attending events to heal...I really question their motives lol. In Dynamis as Summoner I also would just do damage non stop..and I had the BIS gear sets so I could practically have my pets out for free. So next time..speak for yourself..I loved SMN in XI. For healer in FFXI I would always go WHM.

[Silverquick]

Yeah but that's what it required Iromi,

You needed specialized equipment to even run the thing, otherwise just having it out sucked your MP dry.
I remember Corbunkle couldn't even beat simple mobs at lower levels. The only thing you had back then was the other summons, and you had to go through a complicated quest and very hard instance just to get the other ones.

Consequently the only way they could get groups was to sub WHM and act as a half assed healer. But healers were in such short supply they still had a nich. But they were far from anything noteworthy. Sure the 2hr ability was good, but having a really powerful 2hr, meant you could only use it once ever two hours.

I started as a Red Mage and went to 75th with it, and decided to give SMN a try, I was warned left and right about how gimped the thing was. But I figured you know, sometimes people exaggerate too much...

Then I actually went through all the trouble to get the Summons and wow what a PoS it was. It was hell working the thing up from scratch when you didn't even have any of your own spells other than what you sub, and even getting it to middle levels you literally had to sub WHM to even get a group.

Sure it looked cool on the surface, but wow actually playing it really sucked badly. It was anything but powerful or a Summoner.

Eventually after seriously struggling to get the thing to level 40 I finally gave up and said... nope no more... this thing is a worthless PoS, that only looks kewl while getting its rear end handed to it.

[Iromi]

Oh silver, that is why, hehe you quit summoner at 40? if you didn't get it to 75 I can see why you feel that way ^^ 70 is where summoner got pretty good, and in end game is was enjoyable

I hope in 4.0 they don't change summoner too drastically...its in a nice spot atm.