1.2 Needs to fix Sentinel, Tanking, and XI Class-ism.

[Raijin]

Yes, but it doesnt work like that. Currently groups with X setup are the ones going in and wining. A group of friends that has 3 glds, 2 conj, and some archers, unfortunately aren't going to be able to beat it.
I'm not saying the fight is not fun or challenging or w/e. All I'm saying is bit too difficult for a game with virtually no endgame struggling for a subscriber base.

that setup is doable, albeit much harder (especially due to archer animation locks) than the typical lancer x5 tank con x2

A setup with different melee types is doable as well, but a little more taxing on the healers.

So are you really gonna blame the players for taking the path of least resistance?

[Hikozaemon]

Hopefully skills like Sentinel Rampart Cure3/Sac3 will be class specific only skills after next update as they are making more skills that way. Tank should'nt have to rely on rank48 DoM skills to keep hate and Other Classes shouldnt have to rely on High Rank Tank class skills to live in alot of situations wtf even have an armoury system then. Having access to tier 1/2 abilites on cross classes is ok but a lines gotta be drawn somewhere and jobs alone wont fix it.

[Davorok]

Sentinel will be a Paladin only Ability after 1.21......problem solved............<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<speculation>>>>>>>>>>>.........

[Raijin]

it should be how you as a character play and perform based on the mechanics of the fight. Unfortunately, with animation lock and server issues, these interfere really with taking gameplay to the next level to elitism.

sorry to burst the bubble, but thats exactly what the ifrit fight is. its not about what skills you got, its about how you move. You can literally do the fight with a single job leveled to 50 and the rest to 16-20 TOPS, even more, as a healer, you could theoretically do it naked without any issues.

Sentinel is a very strong skill, but so is chainspell, so is ferocity 2, so is blindside 2, so is invigorate 2, so is second wind 2, so is bloodbath 2, cure 3 and sac 3 and the nerfed to hell emulate. they all have something in common, theyre all acquired in the 40s. hell with how strong sentinel is, it should be a rank 48 skill, be glad its not a rank 48 skill.

[Shneibel]

sorry to burst the bubble, but thats exactly what the ifrit fight is. its not about what skills you got, its about how you move. You can literally do the fight with a single job leveled to 50 and the rest to 16-20 TOPS, even more, as a healer, you could theoretically do it naked without any issues.

Sentinel is a very strong skill, but so is chainspell, so is ferocity 2, so is blindside 2, so is invigorate 2, so is second wind 2, so is bloodbath 2, cure 3 and sac 3 and the nerfed to hell emulate. they all have something in common, theyre all acquired in the 40s. hell with how strong sentinel is, it should be a rank 48 skill, be glad its not a rank 48 skill.

I see you re a mage with sentinel on you sign

now day, doesn't matter you re tank,DD or healer w/o sentinel = no pt for you, w/e argument wont give you a ifrit pt w/o sentinel

[Raijin]

I see you re a mage with sentinel on you sign

now day, doesn't matter you re tank,DD or healer w/o sentinel = no pt for you, w/e argument wont give you a ifrit pt w/o sentinel

did you read what i posted? i got sentinel AFTER i killed ifrit several times in order to make the fight easier for myself. it is in NO WAY required.

what youre saying is the classic gearscore dilemma that WoW had. like gearscore, sentinel is a mechanism to select players. Like gearscore, you dont need Minimum gear X or ability Y con complete it. only to make things easier. So in PuGs, X amount of gearscore/ X ability, is "REQUIRED" to have which realistically speakin, is not the case.

[GreyJorildyn]

Something we are overlooking is that, and correct me if I am wrong, yoshida doesn't want everyone to clear Ifrit right now. When the next big thing comes out, Ifrit will be nerfed so more can defeat it, and a new hardmode battle will be implemented for the elite players to tackle. Isn't that what he said somewhere?

In any case, the battle has (Hard) next to it for a reason. Sure it's not really "hard" but if it is for your PUG and you also don't desire to level other classes for great abilities that will lower the difficulty, then that's on you, not SE.

[Shneibel]

did you read what i posted? i got sentinel AFTER i killed ifrit several times in order to make the fight easier for myself. it is in NO WAY required.

what youre saying is the classic gearscore dilemma that WoW had. like gearscore, sentinel is a mechanism to select players. Like gearscore, you dont need Minimum gear X or ability Y con complete it. only to make things easier. So in PuGs, X amount of gearscore/ X ability, is "REQUIRED" to have which realistically speakin, is not the case.

guess I miss read it.

And I dont think I was wrong when say that either, maybe you havent but I have: No sentinel = no ifrit . So I just ignore the ifrit until it got fix at the point there will be no : no sentinel = no ifrit

[Raijin]

guess I miss read it.

And I dont think I was wrong when say that either, maybe you havent but I have: No sentinel = no ifrit . So I just ignore the ifrit until it got fix at the point there will be no : no sentinel = no ifrit

then get a different linkshell.

[Shneibel]

then get a different linkshell.

that s random pt, not my shell

ninja edit: and I feel that reply begin to go far away from main topic. How I play is up to my decide