Wedding Bells in Eorzea?

[Shipp]

Honestly, I'd like to see the marriage option. I just got married to my ig and rl gal yesterday.

I'd rather have the option to have dresses, suits, and matching engraved rings, and as to the rest of it leave it to the players to roleplay. Leave the controversy out. The funny thing is, that as in RL most of the loudest voices demanding same-gender marriage most won't bother, its just a weak red-herring argument for "equality," which to me is tantamount to an atheist demanding to be part of the Eucharist service at their local church, who cares, leave people to their own rituals.

I love when people don't think. Guess what, marriage in Eorzea isn't tied to religion, necessarily. Even if it it, it is a fictional religion where we don't know the rules. This has nothing to do with atheism. This is no "red-herring" argument. This is people tired of RL bias being put into a game where it has no place.

Keep up your superior attitude of, "I just got married so gay people can suck it," though. That's not what the thread is about in the least, and I also love your assumption that most RL gay people won't bother with marriage, they just want to demand it. Get a clue outside of Faux News.

[Thainna]

Do you know if they still have that feature in XI? I'd already sponsored two different people but I never actually saw the ceremony. :/

Oh I'm sure it's still there. It took a year before we actually got accepted for marriage but we got married in '04. Last I knew, ceremonies didn't have to be GM based and there was an NPC to talk to. I could be wrong, like I said in my first post, I quit (over a year ago).

[Nabiri]

I don't like marriage in real life. I find it to be a useless and superficial human practice... a show put on for others. It doesn't make someone any more loyal or anything. People can stay together and be in love without it just fine. :3
Edit: Just wanted to say that this is just how I feel about it, and I don't look down on others for getting married. If it makes you happy and enhances your life, I'm happy for you. It's just not for me.

But! Marriages in-game aren't serious and are really fun a lot of the time. ^-^ I'm for in-game marriage as long as it's not straight couples only, (but I don't think we have to worry about that.. Just look at the game so far! Female NPCs flirting with other females. I'd say SE is being pretty fair and not discriminating so far! ) Also, I think we NEED the option for divorces. XD
I always wondered what happened in XI when you married someone and they quit the game... Are you just... stuck married to a non-existent person then?? XD If someone quits it'd be cool to be able to terminate the marriage so you have the option of re-marrying someday. :3

[Len]

^-^ I'm for in-game marriage as long as it's not straight couples only, ( but I don't think we have to worry about that.. Just look at the game so far! Female NPCs flirting with other females. I'd say SE is being pretty fair and not discriminating so far! )

Using same-sex attraction for jokes ≠ being pro-gay & lesbian, just so you know.

[Shipp]

Using same-sex attraction for jokes ≠ being pro-gay & lesbian, just so you know.

I agree, though there were some quite odd lines that had some questionable terms taken out after Yoshi took over. They might have been fixed between beta and launch, though I didn't notice until after Yoshi took over. There was one NPC in particular who was talking about a couple of NPCs and referred to them as queer. It was meant to mean odd, though the exact sentence he said sounded as though it was a double meaning.

Honestly, using "queer" to convey the meaning of odd in these times is as outdated as referring to something black as "negro" in the English language. It doesn't matter if Eorzea is trying to be old-timey and antique in it's lexicon, some words simply should be left out due to the context completely changing. I don't remember what he says now, but it's completely different, and I don't believe he even talks with an accent.

I just looked through my old beta pictures and don't seem to have it. I could have sworn I took a picture of it.

Edit: Found another folder and while it wasn't the same NPC conversation I mentioned, it was another one. He no longer says queer, either.

[RolandDebreton]

Keep up your superior attitude of, "I just got married so gay people can &*#@ it," though. That's not what the thread is about in the least, and I also love your assumption that most RL gay people won't bother with marriage, they just want to demand it. Get a clue outside of Faux News.

And here I was trying to avoid the controversial. Honestly, I'm a libertarian and wouldn't care if you married your 86' Chevelle to a Mastiff - so for all intents and purposes your knee-jerk reactionism is unfound. Is it what the institution is about, no, not really. But then I don't believe your lungs exist to pour carcinogens into them either, but your a big boy so make your own choices, eh?

Saying I got married was a matter of pointing out my excitement of a meaningful ritual I was just involved in. So thank you for your well wishes.

And the mention of Atheism was not to insight a passer-by to scream about Fox News (huh?), but was to draw a reference to an image of an outsider to a group, who doesn't really care trying to partake in something they wouldn't normally be interested in. If homosexuals wish to do whatever they are welcome to it. However, please don't stand around and act people in the gay community are jumping on the marriage bandwagon right and left, I could copypasta a ton of statistics by GLT groups indicating the transient nature of many community relationships and the complete ambivalence of many others, but why let facts interfere with RAAAGEEEEE!

Having said that, again I say:

That's why if they leave it up to literally being a choice made by the individual for their own personal roleplays within the game there is no "controversy." Just supply us with the accouterments and matters will take care of themselves.

[Shipp]

And here I was trying to avoid the controversial. Honestly, I'm a libertarian and wouldn't care if you married your 86' Chevelle to a Mastiff - so for all intents and purposes your knee-jerk reactionism is unfound. Is it what the institution is about, no, not really. But then I don't believe your lungs exist to pour carcinogens into them either, but your a big boy so make your own choices, eh?

You are trying to avoid the controversial by supporting a marriage option, but saying it should allow same sex marriage? What are you on? Adding marriage in a game and then adding a limit to it that same sex characters cannot get married -is- controversial. You just don't see it that way because you've never faced this particular issue in real life, thus omitting it out of a video game you are supporting isn't a slap in the face to you like it is to others. The best way to not be controversial is not to add marriage at all, regardless of whether they add same-sex couples or exclude them, it will be controversial to one side or the other.

Saying I got married was a matter of pointing out my excitement of a meaningful ritual I was just involved in. So thank you for your well wishes.

And the mention of Atheism was not to insight a passer-by to scream about Fox News (huh?), but was to draw a reference to an image of an outsider to a group, who doesn't really care trying to partake in something they wouldn't normally be interested in.

I knew what your reference was, except marriage is not strictly religious. That's not even the point, there are no real life religions stating homosexuality is a sin and that they cannot get married residing in Eorzea. Therefore, there is no lore reason why marriage would only be limited to opposite sex couples. Therefore, the only reason SSM would be excluded again is due to SE being too insecure to add it.

If homosexuals wish to do whatever they are welcome to it. However, please don't stand around and act people in the gay community are jumping on the marriage bandwagon right and left, I could copypasta a ton of statistics by GLT groups indicating the transient nature of many community relationships and the complete ambivalence of many others, but why let facts interfere with RAAAGEEEEE!

Because these facts also apply to the straight community. These stereotypes of gays never being monogamous need to die, because it's far from the actual truth. Hence why I said get a clue outside of Faux News, because you make the same arguments and logical fallacies as people such as Bill O'Reilly.

[Nabiri]

Using same-sex attraction for jokes ≠ being pro-gay & lesbian, just so you know.

What jokes do you mean? I'm unsure what you're talking about.
Besides that, I didn't say SE was pro anything. I just commented on them not discriminating so far. It's pretty safe to say that it's not likely they'll start doing so in the future. ^^

[RolandDebreton]

/em does a huge facepalm.

Let everyone do it. Just that simple - let the players decide if they want.

Why do you wish to act enlightened, and talk about freedom, then demand that we have no choice?

/shrug

[kensredemption]

Get back on topic please. From what I've seen so far a majority of people who posted are for in-game marriage, but I want this thread to stay open for at least another week. Despite the well-thought out debates, it's like I said in my original post: Take it elsewhere.