100M GIL taken

[Nyerieri]

I did find it scary that this still isnt fixed.. Has anyone tried posting this on the tech support area?
Cause I learned that one could still promote to the leader rank and take over the FC for example. Bad enough they could rank someone up to higher ranks with more permissions.

You have no clue how housing works do you? Just posting random stuff that is not true. You would be wise to stick to topics you are 100% sure about, because it adds nothing to the topic if you are 100% wrong.

[Solarra]

Not a dig at the OP at all

Sorry, Shaemus, I wasn't accusing you of trolling. I've edited that post to clarify who I was directing my comments to.


I'm still hoping we might get an official response (a little less hopeful now, since the Live Letter didn't even mention FCs).
As I said above, a scam like this doesn't have a single victim, it's an entire FC of people who lose out, probably after working really hard to build their company up.

I know there has been a fair amount of blame thrown at the OP in this thread, but surely even those people who feel he is at fault don't feel the rest of the FC was somehow negligent and deserved this, too.
In the interests of protecting everyone who is in a FC, this needs to be fixed.

[Nyerieri]

Sorry, Shaemus, I wasn't accusing you of trolling. I've edited that post to clarify who I was directing my comments to.


I'm still hoping we might get an official response (a little less hopeful now, since the Live Letter didn't even mention FCs).
As I said above, a scam like this doesn't have a single victim, it's an entire FC of people who lose out, probably after working really hard to build their company up.

I know there has been a fair amount of blame thrown at the OP in this thread, but surely even those people who feel he is at fault don't feel the rest of the FC was somehow negligent and deserved this, too.
In the interests of protecting everyone who is in a FC, this needs to be fixed.

I fail to understand your logic, maybe help me out? He gave people the promote/demote option, they are well within their right to use it how they see fit. At the end of the day, it's his fault for entrusting people with such a strong power that he may of not 100% trusted. Especially for the reason of "they were going to activate actions". You do not have to have promote/demote in order to activate actions... (pic for reference)



I wish the thread would stop with the "everything has to be 100% fair" opinion. Nothing is ever 100% fair. Its a cold, hard, truth. At the end of the day, I feel the entire FC deserved this because they trusted him as their "leader"

[Nyerieri]

I adore how the GMs and players are openly defending this kind of activity, as if the gods of their impotent religion were brought into question. Situations like this are one of the big reasons I do not judge people who use 3rd party apps and RMT. The social policing policies in FFXIV openly advocate and encourage acts like what happened to this FC.

Sorry I had to comment on this. You can stand up and say you are not going to advocate or defend above said actions, but I am not going to lay down and let SJW ways try to dictate how this game runs (it's already bad enough how it is). There is nothing out of the ordinary that happened to him. It is working as intended, under the current system. It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Also let me correct you, the SJW ways are what is trying to change the acts in the game, no one else.

[Solarra]

I wish the thread would stop with the "everything has to be 100% fair" opinion

Wait, what? You don't want 'fair'?!?
well ok, you're entitled to your opinion. I fail to see your logic too, to be honest. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You are playing a game that generally regards scamming or ruining other people's experience as against the ToS, so seeing this as an anomaly in need a fix does not strike me as unreasonable.

Thanks for making me smile though. I mean, you are playing the Warrior of Light, a character destined to spend their time opposing tyranny, exposing corruption, saving orphans etc.
That's about as SWJ as it gets :P

[Nyerieri]

Wait, what? You don't want 'fair'?!?
well ok, you're entitled to your opinion. I fail to see your logic too, to be honest. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You are playing a game that generally regards scamming or ruining other people's experience as against the ToS, so seeing this as an anomaly in need a fix does not strike me as unreasonable.

Thanks for making me smile though. I mean, you are playing the Warrior of Light, a character destined to spend their time opposing tyranny, exposing corruption, saving orphans etc.
That's about as SWJ as it gets :P

If you are not seeing that you are playing the SJW role here, you are a fool. I'll have to agree to disagree. Too strong headed to admit /NOTHING/ was broken here in regards to TOS. Leader gave him that permission despite their being an execute credit action ability for ranks to have.

Fool. You should quit this topic, unless you have something actually credible to post in regards to this. I have no sympathy in regards to an incompetent leader not setting permissions correctly. than begging for help after something fails (by the way, /AGAIN/ in this scenario, it is completely within the tos to use the rank permissions you are given. I beg you, please show me a section in the tos where I am incorrect about this statement). He should go post on reddit if hes looking for sympathy.

[azura84]

Your analogy to a voting system and election doesnt fit - FC arent "countries" they're more like, well, companies. SE doesnt elect their CEO with a democratic vote of everyone working for the company. And it would be absolute nuts for a branch-manager to promote one of his employees to CEO, wouldnt it? This is excatly the situation we're in though - promotion-rights are "all or nothing" and a promotion in this sense has nothing to do with politics but more with managing a company.

I know the analogy wasn't meant to emphasize the direction of making it a political system, but rather that it IS more of a corporate machine rather than a democratic one and thus a dictatorship is how companies generally run with some give and take of power depending on the boards of directors, influence of share holders if they're public, and so on.

The point is that with such small numbers of people being regulated it's needed more to be like a military ranking system and I'm agreeing that it shouldn't be as flimsy as allowing a field lieutenant the ability to raise himself or others to a general or whatever.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Sorry I had to comment on this. You can stand up and say you are not going to advocate or defend above said actions, but I am not going to lay down and let SJW ways try to dictate how this game runs

There is nothing out of the ordinary that happened to him. It is working as intended, under the current system. It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Also let me correct you, the SJW ways are what is trying to change the acts in the game, no one else.

Working as intended is, I don't know... FLAWED? That's like saying Gordias savage is working as intended, don't mess with it "CUZ DA SOSHUL JUSTACE WAHRRIORS RUIN ERRYTHING! I MUST STAHP DAH SOSHUL JUSTACE WIT MINE OWN TWO HANDZ".

Since bloody when does criticizing a terrible implementation something = politics of any order? For the love of all that is holy with the crystals, please stop spouting this ignorant nonsense.

[Nyerieri]

Working as intended is, I don't know... FLAWED? That's like saying Gordias savage is working as intended, don't mess with it "CUZ DA SOSHUL JUSTACE WAHRRIORS RUIN ERRYTHING! I MUST STAHP DAH SOSHUL JUSTACE WIT MINE OWN TWO HANDZ".

Since bloody when does criticizing a terrible implementation something = politics of any order? For the love of all that is holy with the crystals, please stop spouting this ignorant nonsense.

Look, I really don't care if your opinion is that working as intended is flawed. That is not this topic. The OP comment many pages back were they gave some rando higher rank to execute actions. If he was a competent leader, he could of realized he could of gave them a lower rank with that permission. Guess what? If he did that we wouldn't be here right now. I also stand by my opinion of that guy being an SJW. "Waaaaah everything has got to be fair in this world". Look it up.

[Vidu]

It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Yeah, but the current system is... how do you say that... "shit" - what happend to OP happend because of a problem that was brought up again and again.

Situations like what happend to OP are showing again and again that even if the system is currently working as intended, even if the devs deliberately made the choice to have the system like this (allowing to promote above your own rank while implying that there is an actual hierachie in place) that the system is actually not working.
Working as intended, maybe - practical use and actually working, nope.

We should use threads and personal tragedies like this to ask for a change of this system, to help prevent it happen again - neither for victim cuddeling nor for victim shaming and telling them "Yeah, your own fault, mate"

Please, SE - fix your FC-rank-system, so that we can actually make proper use of it!