100M GIL taken

[Solarra]

I think devs should leave things as they are as it teaches a valuable life lesson to those that do not properly read & utilize permissions that are in place already in the menus.

Not sure if you're trolling here Doki, but I'll bite.
As people have stated above, there is no warning given and no other game I know of handles promotions like this.
Leaving things as they are means that FC Leaders either take a risk so they can delegate or have to pretty much handle the entire running of their FC by themselves; that is an awful lot of work with an active FC.

As to 'valuable life lessons', those are delivered free of charge to most of us outside the game. I don't think we need enable scamming inside just so FC Leaders can get a second dose. You also ignore the plight of FC members who lose gil, items and maybe even their house through absolutely no fault of their own.

[Shaemus_Jodocus]

It's not trolling it happened to me. I lost everything and i'm re building. the Gm blamed me for being scammed and didn't help at all.

[Khanscott]

I adore how the GMs and players are openly defending this kind of activity, as if the gods of their impotent religion were brought into question. Situations like this are one of the big reasons I do not judge people who use 3rd party apps and RMT. The social policing policies in FFXIV openly advocate and encourage acts like what happened to this FC.

[azura84]

I adore how the GMs and players are openly defending this kind of activity, as if the gods of their impotent religion were brought into question. ... The social policing policies in FFXIV openly advocate and encourage acts like what happened to this FC.

It isn't defending scumbagary, nor does it advocate this behavior. The system is designed for players to self govern, if you don't like this and would prefer SE restrict our options then that's your opinion but most, I think, would not. I feel for the OP in this situation, but blaming them for not policing is harsh when clearly they gave us this freedom, it's on us to create our own fc policy and regulate it accordingly. You wouldn't want them overstepping their authority, trust me.

@Shaemus, I hope you don't quit. Keep your chin up and have some fun, maybe not lead an FC and just try to enjoy your time ingame without any responsibility. See you around Balmung

[Vidu]

It isn't defending scumbagary, nor does it advocate this behavior. The system is designed for players to self govern, if you don't like this and would prefer SE restrict our options then that's your opinion but most, I think, would not. I feel for the OP in this situation, but blaming them for not policing is harsh when clearly they gave us this freedom, it's on us to create our own fc policy and regulate it accordingly. You wouldn't want them overstepping their authority, trust me.

The problem here is: We currently dont have the tools to effectively regulate our own FC-policy. I'm not sure if you've read through the whole thread or just jumped onto the last pages, but the problem here and in some other cases is:
FC-hierachie dosnt exists, at least not when it comes to the system.
People can promote above their own rank, so basically you cant give the promote-option to anyone but yourself as FC-leader.

How does that help to really govern your own FC? In order to create our own FC policy we would need:
- the system to acknowledge the ranks-hierachie
- the option to select to which ranks another rank can promote
- the option to lock ranks from being promoted to (FC-leader can still promote to this rank)

Without this all we can do is either take the risk that someone clears the FC-chest and runs or be a dictator who doesnt share his power at all.
Currently the game doesnt even tell you that "promote" means that you can promote to any rank, including and above your own - and wether or not you believe that OP could and should have looked that up before, it still makes the feature impractical.

[azura84]

The problem here is...

I will admit I was unaware of the situation of being able to promote ones self above a certain rank unless locked. It does make sense though, they wanted to make it so a leader could step down as well, giving the positions mobility to whichever member maybe more willing to take up the mantle, that being said I think this system should be locked until the creator is made aware of it and even though I agree it's a bit.... how to say; wonky, it does still fit the freedoms it was designed for. If it were a perfect world there would be voting and election days (sarcasm) and each FC would have it's own little-hands president (more sarcasm) but that's not SE and final fantasy isn't a political simulator so, other than the system being default to "everyone ranks whatever they want" I dont see a problem unless leaders make a mistake.

also how are you doing more than 1000 characters? D:

[Vidu]

I will admit I was unaware of the situation of being able to promote ones self above a certain rank unless locked. It does make sense though, they wanted to make it so a leader could step down as well, giving the positions mobility to whichever member maybe more willing to take up the mantle, that being said I think this system should be locked until the creator is made aware of it and even though I agree it's a bit.... how to say; wonky, it does still fit the freedoms it was designed for. If it were a perfect world there would be voting and election days (sarcasm) and each FC would have it's own little-hands president (more sarcasm) but that's not SE and final fantasy isn't a political simulator so, other than the system being default to "everyone ranks whatever they want" I dont see a problem unless leaders make a mistake.

also how are you doing more than 1000 characters? D:

It does not make sense though - the leader can always step down by just transfering their rights to another member. After 30 (? I think it was 30 or something around that number) days leadership will also be auto-transfered to the person who is highste ranking (ironic enough that the system acknowledges it here...) and active, should the leader not log into the game within this timeframe.
Your analogy to a voting system and election doesnt fit - FC arent "countries" they're more like, well, companies. SE doesnt elect their CEO with a democratic vote of everyone working for the company. And it would be absolute nuts for a branch-manager to promote one of his employees to CEO, wouldnt it? This is excatly the situation we're in though - promotion-rights are "all or nothing" and a promotion in this sense has nothing to do with politics but more with managing a company.
There is absolutly no good reason to allow someone to promote above their own rank.

To answer that last question: I'm editing my posts - I'm typing as much as I want to type, copy the better part, post a short version and edit immidiatly afterwards.

[Mysticales]

I did find it scary that this still isnt fixed.. Has anyone tried posting this on the tech support area?
Cause I learned that one could still promote to the leader rank and take over the FC for example. Bad enough they could rank someone up to higher ranks with more permissions.

[Canadane]

It wouldn't do much good, as it's not considered broken. Don't fix what isn't broken, as they say.

[Dustytome]

I did find it scary that this still isnt fixed.. Has anyone tried posting this on the tech support area?
Cause I learned that one could still promote to the leader rank and take over the FC for example. Bad enough they could rank someone up to higher ranks with more permissions.

Only the leader can make someone else the leader. The problem is that the hierarchy is 'fake' for no logical reason. You shouldn't be able to promote anyone further than one tier below you when you're not the fc leader. There's no reason not to adjust it to be a true hierarchy.