FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[Mikhaill]

Greetings, DarkDedede!

This thread was brought to my attention, and I am currently looking into the situation. There may have been a miscommunication on the part of the GMs about our ability to investigate, and I am making sure that this was looked into. Sufficient evidence to treat this type of behaviour as fraud can certainly be difficult to obtain; however, these types of situations are ones that GMs can look into to try to find such evidence and rectify the damage that was done.

Thank you for your patience while we look into this.

LGM Enkrateia

While I think this is good and all, you should count your lucky stars Enkrateia willing to look into this.
Honestly, it's the FC leaders fault. You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

I think all he may be able to do is punish that player and that's it. I doubt any of the items stolen would get reimbursed.
I hope there were some lessons learned here.

[FoxyAreku]

Why on earth did you put airship parts in the chest to begin with? Those should be entrusted to whoever is in charge of making the airship.

[DarkDedede]

You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

That much is obvious. Ranks and permissions have been modified.

However, the issue that I have been trying to highlight is that my FC isn't the only group that has the proverbial "door wide open" for this type of abuse. Whether anything happens to rectify what happened, or even if it puts things into motion to prevent the same thing from happening again, I appreciate any and all effort and consideration being devoted to this topic. The last thing we need is a group of serial scammers being able to do as they please. No good will come of that, for developer and player alike.

Why on earth did you put airship parts in the chest to begin with? Those should be entrusted to whoever is in charge of making the airship.

Because, even though I am responsible for managing the airships, the parts technically belong to the FC (not to me specifically), I wrongly assumed that the tab was protected from new members, and there is currently no summoning bell available in the FC workshop.

Now that you mention it, a summoning bell in the FC workshop would be nice.

[Javera]

I had a very similar experience. We invited a player to join our FC and he was actually a pretty cool person and stuck with us for awhile. We even helped him clear a few primals and built some trust with that player. However, one day we gave him an upgrade to access privileges and ranked him up which was a huge mistake. We overlooked a loophole in our rank system and he ranked himself as one of our FC officers and proceeded to kick everyone and raided our FC chest. He also left a message trying to frame me on the message board but everything was obviously on the activity list.

So we reported it and the player got punished according to our FC leader. Problem was we lost everything including our members. We never gave up though, a few other FCs in the community learned of what happened and helped us regrow. Our kicked members found their way back and surprisingly became 10 times more active. 1 year later we are still standing strong with the same members, several more joined, and working on Alexander Savage. Ever since then we've been really strict with our access privileges.

[Nyerieri]

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We went over this once in the thread. Yes there are obvious flaws in the promote / demote function that I believe square should fix as the example you pointed out. You should not be able to promote yourself to a higher rank.

Also not sure why your free company would allow more then possibly the rank under master to have the promote/demote since there is high potential for abuse. Sorry this happened.

[Noxifer]

First mistake you made in this post was comparing real life to a game.

....The post I was responding to also made such a comparison.

Second, the OP's FC was established 9/18/2013.

Establish date doesn't really matter, tbh. Sure, they probably should have realized that they should have protected themselves better. But I wasn't really talking about this specific case only; I was speaking of it generally, and not every time this happens the FC in question was established in 2013.

Lastly, again I repeat myself, How can you tell Square YOU want the person held liable for something you gave them the keys to.

Because theft is theft. *shrugs* At the very least, I think it should be applicable to report the thief for griefing.

Putting all the blame on the victim, even when the victim "should know better", is just... no. Whether IRL or in game.

[Borascythe]

This same thing happened to my FC last year. The GM said there was nothing he could do.

I was naive enough to think that most people are generally decent and wouldn't steal from people they played months with. I hope we both learned from this reality check.

[Galactimus]

While I think this is good and all, you should count your lucky stars Enkrateia willing to look into this. Honestly, it's the FC leaders fault. You have have the door wide open to new people to rob your stuff.

I think all he may be able to do is punish that player and that's it. I doubt any of the items stolen would get reimbursed. I hope there were some lessons learned here.

- It doesn't matter if the FC gets their items back.
- It doesn't mater what permissions were granted.
- It doesn't matter if you think the entire fault lies in the FC leader for trusting someone new.


A shared FC safe that was left wide open is only the physical half of the situation. Motive and behavior are just as important when placing blame. Teasing, bragging, admitting the crime, messing up your 'story.' So much can be found out in a quick investigation; including whether or not the items were clearly stolen out of greed. It's a GM that has the necessary information to determine whether it was the fault of the victim or the thief in question.


The whole point of this thread was to fight the fact that players that do this sort of thing seemed to have immunity to punishment. Whether or not a GM can actually do anything once the investigation is over with is a different story. However, simply having a GM respond saying that they are at least willing to look into these types of situations to protect its player base is a huge step in the right direction. It's also deterrent for those thinking about it.

[Evumeimei]

I would say first that the free company leader does not have a good sense of character if I read that. Also someone is not going to stay with the free company for two years just for a chance to steal minuscule items.

It can be pretty hard to get a true sense of someone's character over an online game...

[seida]

I don't really understand these threads... it's very unfortunate, but it's hardly stealing when you've given someone permission to take things!

If there's a tab everyone can access, it should only be used for junk/stuff you don't mind disappearing. But... logic.