100M GIL taken

[azura84]

The problem here is...

I will admit I was unaware of the situation of being able to promote ones self above a certain rank unless locked. It does make sense though, they wanted to make it so a leader could step down as well, giving the positions mobility to whichever member maybe more willing to take up the mantle, that being said I think this system should be locked until the creator is made aware of it and even though I agree it's a bit.... how to say; wonky, it does still fit the freedoms it was designed for. If it were a perfect world there would be voting and election days (sarcasm) and each FC would have it's own little-hands president (more sarcasm) but that's not SE and final fantasy isn't a political simulator so, other than the system being default to "everyone ranks whatever they want" I dont see a problem unless leaders make a mistake.

also how are you doing more than 1000 characters? D:

[Vidu]

I will admit I was unaware of the situation of being able to promote ones self above a certain rank unless locked. It does make sense though, they wanted to make it so a leader could step down as well, giving the positions mobility to whichever member maybe more willing to take up the mantle, that being said I think this system should be locked until the creator is made aware of it and even though I agree it's a bit.... how to say; wonky, it does still fit the freedoms it was designed for. If it were a perfect world there would be voting and election days (sarcasm) and each FC would have it's own little-hands president (more sarcasm) but that's not SE and final fantasy isn't a political simulator so, other than the system being default to "everyone ranks whatever they want" I dont see a problem unless leaders make a mistake.

also how are you doing more than 1000 characters? D:

It does not make sense though - the leader can always step down by just transfering their rights to another member. After 30 (? I think it was 30 or something around that number) days leadership will also be auto-transfered to the person who is highste ranking (ironic enough that the system acknowledges it here...) and active, should the leader not log into the game within this timeframe.
Your analogy to a voting system and election doesnt fit - FC arent "countries" they're more like, well, companies. SE doesnt elect their CEO with a democratic vote of everyone working for the company. And it would be absolute nuts for a branch-manager to promote one of his employees to CEO, wouldnt it? This is excatly the situation we're in though - promotion-rights are "all or nothing" and a promotion in this sense has nothing to do with politics but more with managing a company.
There is absolutly no good reason to allow someone to promote above their own rank.

To answer that last question: I'm editing my posts - I'm typing as much as I want to type, copy the better part, post a short version and edit immidiatly afterwards.

[Nyerieri]

I adore how the GMs and players are openly defending this kind of activity, as if the gods of their impotent religion were brought into question. Situations like this are one of the big reasons I do not judge people who use 3rd party apps and RMT. The social policing policies in FFXIV openly advocate and encourage acts like what happened to this FC.

Sorry I had to comment on this. You can stand up and say you are not going to advocate or defend above said actions, but I am not going to lay down and let SJW ways try to dictate how this game runs (it's already bad enough how it is). There is nothing out of the ordinary that happened to him. It is working as intended, under the current system. It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Also let me correct you, the SJW ways are what is trying to change the acts in the game, no one else.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Sorry I had to comment on this. You can stand up and say you are not going to advocate or defend above said actions, but I am not going to lay down and let SJW ways try to dictate how this game runs

There is nothing out of the ordinary that happened to him. It is working as intended, under the current system. It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Also let me correct you, the SJW ways are what is trying to change the acts in the game, no one else.

Working as intended is, I don't know... FLAWED? That's like saying Gordias savage is working as intended, don't mess with it "CUZ DA SOSHUL JUSTACE WAHRRIORS RUIN ERRYTHING! I MUST STAHP DAH SOSHUL JUSTACE WIT MINE OWN TWO HANDZ".

Since bloody when does criticizing a terrible implementation something = politics of any order? For the love of all that is holy with the crystals, please stop spouting this ignorant nonsense.

[Nyerieri]

Working as intended is, I don't know... FLAWED? That's like saying Gordias savage is working as intended, don't mess with it "CUZ DA SOSHUL JUSTACE WAHRRIORS RUIN ERRYTHING! I MUST STAHP DAH SOSHUL JUSTACE WIT MINE OWN TWO HANDZ".

Since bloody when does criticizing a terrible implementation something = politics of any order? For the love of all that is holy with the crystals, please stop spouting this ignorant nonsense.

Look, I really don't care if your opinion is that working as intended is flawed. That is not this topic. The OP comment many pages back were they gave some rando higher rank to execute actions. If he was a competent leader, he could of realized he could of gave them a lower rank with that permission. Guess what? If he did that we wouldn't be here right now. I also stand by my opinion of that guy being an SJW. "Waaaaah everything has got to be fair in this world". Look it up.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Look, I really don't care if your opinion is that working as intended is flawed. That is not this topic. The OP comment many pages back were they gave some rando higher rank to execute actions. If he was a competent leader, he could of realized he could of gave them a lower rank with that permission. Guess what? If he did that we wouldn't be here right now. I also stand by my opinion of that guy being an SJW. "Waaaaah everything has got to be fair in this world". Look it up.

It is the topic, maybe you're going a little too off topic? Obviously this is a wide spread issue and not merely just because someone makes a mistake. Like, the fact that you can make a mistake of this magnitude in this game and people can get away with it is very flawed and something needs to be changed. There is nothing as damaging as this in this game outside of this function.

Even if you accidentally sell a valuable item you can't obtain again for who knows what reason, there is a buyback function in case you make that mistake. If tons of people are making this mistake, you design around it. That's what needs to be done, and I've never seen a guild system in any of the tons of MMO's I've played that allows you to promote yourself higher than what you are. When that is fixed, you will see that people will stop complaining about this. That is and will remain to be the issue until this happens.

[Vidu]

It's rather, the GM and/or players are defending a system that is working as intended. If it was not working as intended, that would be a different story. Stop trying to write rules that do not exist.

Yeah, but the current system is... how do you say that... "shit" - what happend to OP happend because of a problem that was brought up again and again.

Situations like what happend to OP are showing again and again that even if the system is currently working as intended, even if the devs deliberately made the choice to have the system like this (allowing to promote above your own rank while implying that there is an actual hierachie in place) that the system is actually not working.
Working as intended, maybe - practical use and actually working, nope.

We should use threads and personal tragedies like this to ask for a change of this system, to help prevent it happen again - neither for victim cuddeling nor for victim shaming and telling them "Yeah, your own fault, mate"

Please, SE - fix your FC-rank-system, so that we can actually make proper use of it!

[Mysticales]

I did find it scary that this still isnt fixed.. Has anyone tried posting this on the tech support area?
Cause I learned that one could still promote to the leader rank and take over the FC for example. Bad enough they could rank someone up to higher ranks with more permissions.

[Dustytome]

I did find it scary that this still isnt fixed.. Has anyone tried posting this on the tech support area?
Cause I learned that one could still promote to the leader rank and take over the FC for example. Bad enough they could rank someone up to higher ranks with more permissions.

Only the leader can make someone else the leader. The problem is that the hierarchy is 'fake' for no logical reason. You shouldn't be able to promote anyone further than one tier below you when you're not the fc leader. There's no reason not to adjust it to be a true hierarchy.