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  1. #1691
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post
    I am very, deeply sorry. How wrong I was... I just realised, please forgive me.
    I still love you (and your gifs!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Not saying I havent bitten back but 6 onto one?
    Far more interesting topics are afoot here and they don't revolve around you, drop it and move on, you'll find others will do so as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Here's an example of that although it's pre and post Echo it should give a good representation

    ....
    Ty! I'll have a nose through <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post


    I know what it means and in fact it's not hard to explain. It simply means you have uber expectations/ build up a picture of a person to which this person will never be able to live up to.

    1. Where did you note I am not english? I said so, but you did not until now.
    2. lol. My english is way better than yours.

    And because I cannot resist:


    Because one GIF is not enough:

    Respectfully that is is a partial interpretation, it can mean both negative and positive forms of distortion. Plus the difficulty is in interpreting the much deeper meaning of it. Which would be difficult here. Maybe you dont know as much as what you think you do.
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  3. #1693
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbad View Post
    Most FFXIV players do not care to play optimally. Just look at the thread in General called "Tales from Duty Finder" as anecdotal proof.
    You won't be putting up with people disagreeing with your position and asking for clarification and proof? Well good for you, you should do what makes you happy.

    Yes you need to be in an environment where nobody disagrees with you. And where in the real world does that exist? I can save you time. Nowhere.
    Believe me Ive been in much nicer environments than this. just give over. Arnt you satisfied Im leaving the game? Just leave it
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  4. #1694
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Maybe you dont know as much as what you think you do.
    That one cuts both ways.

    For the sake of common ground in discussion I'd recommend constructing your pitch to the audience and leave out technical or jargon-type terms. It tends to project an impression of perceived superiority, an "I know more/better than you" vibe which isn't conducive to collaborative discussion.

    It's great to be educated. It's better to consider and relate to your audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Looking at A11S - Sebazy comparison

    Usually the biggest difference in healer DPS is how hard the first phase is pushed. Keep in mind some of the difference is made up of pushing mechanics and optimal comps.
    Top spot that, my dots were reasonably on point compared to James, he gets a bunch of extra malefics in but the biggest difference is in him gravitying the add which is something that never occurred to me, I just use it as a window to refresh my dots and little else. If people are slacking the add might get a combust as well, but that's about it from me. Good tip thank you <3

    Delving into the A12S comparisons too, my immediate observation is how good James' DPS is despite not gravitying the initial add pack. I find I can get at least 1 gratis aoe in there as long as I go into that phase with essential dignity up. I'm then almost immediately drawn to how good his dot uptime is during stasis. I thought I had that point reasonably covered but he is slaying me there.

    Don't suppose you guys have an A12s from his pov?

    For reference:

    Seb A12S Combust II uptime
    James A12S Combust II uptime

    Oh and another useful thing to come from this discussion!

    I uh.....

    Just realised I've been using Malefic 1 for the past week....

    This is why I don't do levelling roulette on capped classes =(

    S**t tier dps confirmed =(
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    That one cuts both ways.

    For the sake of common ground in discussion I'd recommend constructing your pitch to the audience and leave out technical or jargon-type terms. It tends to project an impression of perceived superiority, an "I know more/better than you" vibe which isn't conducive to collaborative discussion.

    It's great to be educated. It's better to consider and relate to your audience.
    I do agree, shouldnt have used educated words, I did remove it but was asked to explain, and did so aimiably but again was turned into a piss take.No matter if I try to be friendly by not ignoring someone I thought was genuinely asking for an answer. Good luck with the game and the people that play on it . You may need it one day if these are the sort of people that rule
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Respectfully that is is a partial interpretation, it can mean both negative and positive forms of distortion. Plus the difficulty is in interpreting the much deeper meaning of it. Which would be difficult here. Maybe you dont know as much as what you think you do.
    I did never mention the words negative or positive, but just talked about it being an expectation, nor did I say anything about the interpretation of it.
    Explanation =/= Interpretation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I do agree, shouldnt have used educated words, I did remove it but was asked to explain, and did so aimiably but again was turned into a piss take.
    This is the one I like the most.
    Being passive agressive and arrogant at the same time, while claiming to be respectful and the 'keeper of calm words' in here.
    I know what it means and in fact it's not hard to explain. It simply means you have uber expectations/ build up a picture of a person to which this person will never be able to live up to.
    You didn't answered where anything I said would be a reason for you to bring up that term at all, but since I already know the answer (Spoiler: I didn't so there is no reason. :x) you don't need to respond to that anymore, thanks.
    So please explain me where I 'turned you into a piss'.
    You struggled explaining the term, so I took that part for you and turned it into simpler words.
    You are obviously not able to show where exactly I said something that could be seen as parataxic distortion, otherwise you would have quoted that part. ^^
    I was asking for an answer, but instead of just doing that you explained a term to me I already know. That was not what I asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post

    I actually wasn't being arrogant at all. and from my part it was an explanation of what it means not your dictionary definion which is just really an example of one. You just dont get that I was merely telling you without anything attached in any way like arrogance, because you asked me to. Its what is happening all the time here, mis communication of intent. Your words ' passive aggressive' absolutely nothing of the sort. None of my posts have come from an aggressive stance actually. That they may seem like it then, thats due to how another perceives it. All I can do in that case is try to correct them or try to explain it wasnt meant that way but its hardly accepted. and the reason its not accepted is? You tell me. I explained the meaning of it using an example of here to try to illustrate its meaning. I actually applied its meaning to the situation, Im sorry you didnt understand even then. You want me to explain why your post came across as a piss take? You asked for me to explain then said you already knew the answer, (your interpretation isnt really the full meaning ) So therefore if you thought you knew it why ask? Was it a test? Or for some other reason. Then stated 'lol' my english is better than yours' is that arrogance? Then put three giffs you thought were funny was that aimed at me? Not that theres anything wrong with humour but it seemed like it was intended to mock what I said. Therefore you may or may not see that the whole thing looked like a piss. Amelia try to see your not going to be better than everyone at everything, unless you have 4 years training in certan subject that youve specialized in some may know more than you about that subject and always there will be someone that knows something more, as you yourself may know more than someone else about some things. It isnt trying to be arrogant to have an education, but like bounddreamer said its the audience that I should be careful of addressing. I already thought it was a mistake and removed it. Then was pressed for an explanation which I tried to give. Why did you even want me to explain anyway? The problem is you thought you knew what it meant and couldnt see how it related to your post, so I explained it but you still didnt see how it related that is the problem, it didnt make sense cos you dont really understand the term in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I actually wasn't being arrogant at all. and from my part it was an explanation
    Do you know what context is?
    Because me calling you arrogant has nothing to do with your explanation of the distortion. It was related to your, in fact, passive aggressive posting at the very top of this page.
    I will quote it again, even tho I already did before to make a connection, but as it seems you didn't got what I meant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I do agree, shouldnt have used educated words, I did remove it but was asked to explain, and did so aimiably but again was turned into a piss take.
    Let's go through this bit by bit.
    I do agree, shouldnt have used educated words
    Saying something like this implys you are more intelligent then me/other people in this thread. Maybe you are, maybe not, noone can tell, but nevertheless it is rude to say something like that. Even if it is just subtext.
    was asked to explain
    No, I wanted you to show me where the distortion can be found in my words.
    again was turned into a piss take
    I asked you before to proof that as well, did not happen yet.
    You may need it one day if these are the sort of people that rule
    Taking into consideration to who you were talking to the last page(s) everybody can see who is part of that "these", therefore also rude and passive aggressive.

    Maybe you can see where you are wrong when I repeat it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    You asked for me to explain
    No, I did not, here is what I asked for, I will even bold it to underline:
    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post
    But so far I still would like to know what you referred the parataxic distortion to, because I still can't figure that out. I don't want to pick on you, it's just that I am interested in how my words reached you in a way that you think this applys to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post


    This whole thread where people have singled me out instead of looking what everyone else is doing as well. Bounddreamer mentioned education, I just followed on. It is an educated term but then thought people may not understand. Its not used often so removed it. No implication . I explained where the distortion was. To passive aggression - tbh I think most people have had something not so nice to say about me and mocked so how am I supposed to take that? I am human too you know I even gave a list of things said to me. Then Im called defensive for trying to stick up for myself. You may not realise it but this thread and all the jibes and insults Ive had in it have practically battered me. it feels more like the aggression is the other way round. Ive hardly had anything but a whole string of derrogatory comments not just about my healing but assumptions even how i may act in a group but no one has picked up on anyone else for being rude. Ive told you where ithe distortion was I really cannot explain it more here its off topic and dont really want to. If you want to know study it a little more . Plus even saying it was innappropriate so I removed it and more or less saying it doesnt matter then your still pressing me for answers what is your motive? Just go study it amelia. Apart from that Im just done in with th game , the healer dps meta being shoved down my throat, the high expections, the fighting here, I just give in. What more do you want?
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