Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
It may be hidden but it doesn't matter again once the Community not the devs decides something is dead it is dead.
I would hardly call Coil dead. People still run it for many different reasons. I'm not going to repeat them all, as they've been mentioned throughout this thread multiple times.

And yes it should be challenging but only doing it sync if the community doesnt want to do it sync then why should people suffer through something where they simply just want to view the story.
Let me repeat again: unsynced content =/= automatic faceroll. And if people are only interested in Coil's story, and not the actual content itself, that's why there are cutscenes on YouTube. I'm all for helping people clear Coil (synced or unsynced), but if they aren't going to put any effort into it (yes, I expect effort even running it unsynced), then I won't help them.

Again so are you going to tell that full time crafter that stays out of your bird farms , that look even this unsync content over here , even tho I barely do it ever it still should be hard and you should still feel the pain of what hard powerful mechanics are.
That's hardly what Vidu is saying, and if a person plays this game just for the sole aspect of crafting, it's unlikely that they would be interested in content like Coil or Alexander or Ex primals. People that enjoy just crafting or just gathering seem to only do enough content to progress them through the expansion. They want to craft/gather; not raid.

SE did the best thing possible with alex by not tying the story to the savage part of the raid, hopefully we want have these complaints in sb.
I disagree. Only because the Alexander story was so bland and boring, I didn't bother watching any of the cutscenes after Gordias. It just didn't appeal to me the same way Coil did. But since people seemed to be so unwilling to learn how to put forth the effort into clearing Coil (even unsynced), the developers learned not to tie stories to Savage mode content. It is still worth noting, though, that Coil did not have "Coil Story Mode" and "Coil Savage Mode" (with the exception of Second Coil) like Alexander. I don't really consider this a fair comparison, but that's my opinion.

But I just dont understand how all of the people in here can say leave the challenge in content that they barely even do. And def aren't tryin to help someone do it sync, stop being nostalgic about stuff coil as it stand now is nothing else than an extra story line that anybody and everybody should have the right to see.
I'd hardly say the people in this thread "barely" do Coil. Several have already mentioned they find themselves in one of the turns at least once a week, and I'm sure most of the people here run it, at the very least, for Wonderous Tails. And, I'm sorry. It does not interest me one bit to run a piece of content (old or new) and not have to pay attention to anything, or not be challenged by it. That is not a game for me.

Several have already stated that they like the fact that some Coil turns are still challenging even when running them unsynced. Which again brings me back to my point of unsynced content does not equate to automatic faceroll. Even unsynced, the content is not so hard that it's unclearable. It just requires people to, you know, actually pay attention rather than be alt-tabbed and watching Netflix.

If people just want Coil's story, and refuse to even put any effort into the content: YouTube.

You guys cant have it all on one hand oh dont you dare put my hw trails in pf I dont wana be placed with noobs, and then in the same breathe be like oh dont make content easier for those same people to finally get their chance to do it.
These are not the same things. One thing, the thread we participated in about Heavensward Ex Primals and having options similar to Raid Finder have nothing to do with this thread. At all. I don't even know why you're bringing this up, unless you're still salty that nobody wanted to agree with you.

Unsynced may make Coil easier (just from the fact that we are all overgeared and can skip mechanics or just burn through some of them), but that doesn't mean that it made it so easy that all you need to do is spam your basic combo over and over again, or just use a Regen or HoT here and there to keep people alive while you bounce around the rest of the turn. These people have their chance to run the content. But they don't have the option to be carried through it unsynced (unless they pay for it).

To me if the community sets a standard by deeming something dead and pointless then they shouldnt have any say in what else happens to that said content. You cant keep the strangle hold on content forever let other people have what much enjoyment they can find out of doing this stuff.
I don't even know how to respond to this paragraph. The first sentence alone is just so incredibly mind-boggling, I can't even form a coherent response to it other than lolwut. Just go back and read this entire thread on why people still run Coil. Maybe then it will finally sink in that Coil is not "dead."

It people just want to be able to /follow tanks or spam 1-2-3 in content, well, that's unfortunate because not everything in this game is going to be that way. If you want things to be that easy, why don't you just watch other people stream themselves playing this game. That way you get to enjoy the content, and you don't have to do anything other than use your eyeballs to stare at a screen. And I think that people that just want free rides need to just get over it already. Put forth some damn effort. Stop expecting everything to be so easy just because you're level 60 in full 270 gear. That would make fo an extremely stale game, and I'm going to be honest here: I wouldn't even bother playing it. I'm not paying a subscription every month to be utterly unimpressed or not challenged in the least.

I'm sorry if you seem to find enjoyment in not putting forth any effort, or being able to just faceroll content in your 270 gear. Some of us don't find enjoyment in content where we can just press random buttons and still clear.