Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

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[aleph_null]

Coils never were meant to be done via DF, if anything they should be put in something like the raid finder to separate practice and clear queues for people who want to do them synced (if any). More importantly the devs don't seem to want to touch the old contents anymore and focus their resources on upcoming new contents. They usually nerf stuffs in the following patch, I don't remember them nerfing contents that were released many patches before. It surely is possible to retune coils for lv 60 players, or nerf it to dungeon level faceroll, but the former would require massive amount of time/effort which will affect upcoming contents, the latter would screw over anyone wanting to do synced clears for challenge. If the devs think those options are worth the cost/risk they'd have done them.

Empty queues are quite normal in this game, have you ever tried queuing for something like gordias or midas savage? Most of them are empty because it's pretty much impossible to clear those via DF (unlike 24 man raids or alex normal), and again the devs don't seem to really care about that. If you want to clear them you'll just have to make a PF.

[bswpayton]

You guys are being so unrealistic are maybe just on the most wonderful server of them all. I had a fc member that had just returned to the game he thought that ilvl 230 weapons where still something so he asked to do alex savage 2, puts it in pf guess what all of two people joined. You guys are just being silly thinking that people just actually run this content like this on a regular basis again their is a reason why there is a normal mod trail roulette and not an extreme trail roulette.

. Nobody wants to fail in this game and this includes all the ones commenting on the thread same reason why in other post everyone's said they dont want to teach content. So if you dont want to teach content then dont expect someone to want to learn easy old 4 year old content. I agree with the op 100 percent if its old and empty nerf it to the ground so people can get their rewards and be done with it , why does it matter so much to everyone.

No content thats current should be nerfed when just implemented but old stuff like this shouldn't have insta kill stuff in it that because its people who normally wouldnt even touch it said content, so it should be super easy for them to complete. And again friends does not equal like minded I have tons of friends in the game, some chat, some craft, some are in statics, I have lots of other mentor friends.

Some just do relics, some just do alex normal, some just do extreme primals, its to much variety to believe that everyone knows 10 other people out there that at any given time would be willing to do something or things that they dont even need for current progression. And no cross server party finder doesnt solve this for every piece of content in the game

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I did too.

That's why I pushed myself to learn the fights and clear them even when they were current and grueling.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It's been said but the purpose of running content unsynced isn't to make it easy to clear, but easy to run, even if you have to do it alone.

For example: Aurum Vale is one of the most hated dungeons in game, and people still don't like running it. But see, I REALLY REALLY want the Morbol minion or one of the weapon drops at the end for glamour, and I just never was lucky in getting them. I can go in at 60 to get it, but I still have to avoid the poison pools, still can't just pull everything and expect to be just fine, and still have to cleanse the poison stacks at the first and last boss.

The issue here in this thread is that people expect unsyncing to absolve you of performing mechanics that you're already used to by now, and that's just not how it works.

[RaijinSupreme]

Why you complaining about this old thing?

People must be running out of stuff to complain about.

[Silverquick]

Why you complaining about this old thing?

People must be running out of stuff to complain about.

Well I was hoping to have it updated to level 60/70 content or finally just dropped to actual 50th level normal content to make it relevant again, since no one really runs it anymore.


But you know, after seeing the people here, they apparently really think this thing is "the latest uber raid" and not and old half assed relic from their glory days.... from a level that isn't even relevant anymore.

You can see it in what they say about it... they still honestly believe level 50 is like.... relevant and stuff. But even level 60 will be irrelevant after Stormblood.

Personally I was hoping this old relic could be made relevant in the current content.

But like I said, after seeing the guys in these forums its questionable as to whether they even play this game seriously anymore they're that out of touch.... I'm sure the Devs know that too and no longer even bother coming here, so I agree this is a complete waste of time.

[Settiesama]

But you know, after seeing the people here, they apparently really think this thing is "the latest uber raid" and not and old half assed relic from their glory days.... from a level that isn't even relevant anymore.

You can see it in what they say about it... they still honestly believe level 50 is like.... relevant and stuff.

And this right here shows you haven't even been reading what people have said.

It is still relevant as far as Tails, Glamour, story etc are concerned. It's still fun to do at 60 with the mechanics in place. You CAN still do it synced down as level 50s, just create a party for it... As Coils was originally intended. In fact, it was the only way for a long time. The queues were always long after it's addition to DF, even when it was current content, because doing it with randoms was never good. Being outdated doesn't take away the fact that there is still reasons for doing it outside iLvl.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Well I was hoping to have it updated to level 60/70 content or finally just dropped to actual 50th level normal content to make it relevant again, since no one really runs it anymore.


But you know, after seeing the people here, they apparently really think this thing is "the latest uber raid" and not and old half assed relic from their glory days.... from a level that isn't even relevant anymore.

You can see it in what they say about it... they still honestly believe level 50 is like.... relevant and stuff. But even level 60 will be irrelevant after Stormblood.

Personally I was hoping this old relic could be made relevant in the current content.

But like I said, after seeing the guys in these forums its questionable as to whether they even play this game seriously anymore they're that out of touch.... I'm sure the Devs know that too and no longer even bother coming here, so I agree this is a complete waste of time.

What you continue to refuse to see is that the content IS still level 50. We've explained time, gear, Duty Finder nerfs, and the Echo have made them LESS than what they were. People even explain that bumping it up to 60/70 won't solve the problems you had with the content, it'll just make everything do damage relative to your current level and actually make it tough again.

There's even the fact that the content was made "relevant" again through the addition of the Aetherstones for crafted, dyeable versions of the Binding/Second Coil gear. . . back in 3.2. And AGAIN with Orchestrion rolls. And AGAIN with Wonderous Tails. But none of this absolves anyone from actually having to know what they're doing - just like any other content in game, regardless of level.

I'm not going to mince words: YOU'RE the one who's out of touch. 15 pages of people explaining and you're still spouting crap about "they think this is the latest uber raid" and "it's questionable as to whether they even play this game seriously anymore". Did you ever? Cause it seems to me like you can't even handle a nerfed level 50 raid. And you want it bumped up? Please. You say it's a complete waste of time, but that's simply because you're not hearing what you want to hear. Well sorry, it's not gonna happen. Coil is level 50 content. The mechanics are toned down from what they used to be. If you can't handle nerfed level 50 at level 60, you sure as hell won't be able to handle it at 60. OR 70.

Simply put: Get off whatever high horse you think you're on and get good.

[Lambdafish]

Simply put: Get off whatever high horse you think you're on and get good.

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