Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bswpayton]

1) So you waited to do HW primal, to have them easier? Earlier on you were saying you wanted things to be as challenging as possible for your level.

No I actually waited to do hw primals because I wasnt going to skip over arr primals or the 24 mans etc I wanted to try everything in the game simply because I view the game as a whole game. And also I never wanted to leave the nn I loved the feature of a huge portion of players all in one setting , so I didnt even want to leave for a day so I acutally hit level 60 on my whm, got all my other jobs to level 50. Used turn ins to level my gsm and miner to level 60 so that I could become a mentor within the same day of finally beating the arr story. So I had my reasons and again its because I had no idea at the time how content was treated I didnt even know about rf at the time, I thought that I would be able to do what I did for the hw primals the exact same way as I did the arr ones.

And I was wrong so no it wasnt me tryin to have it easy I view everything as a que I dont care about drops , I dont really care about anything really but tryin to be a good player. So your going to deny what you see in your pf everyday people even here say that nobody does coil sync. There arent voices in my head only just eyes I can clearly see what people are doing, so is it an illusion that on my data center that nobody is doing any alex below 9s? I have no reason to make things up that gets you know where its clearly what I see every day in pf, no bonus parties, the occasional learning party, farm or clear partys for all hw stuff. And then unsync everything else maybe primal is different because thats what I will see any given day all day when I log it , Im not going to base something happening on a regular basis if it only happens every blue moon.

If you are running it unsync how do you not want easy mood, the flip side of that is not easy whether its from challenge or time spent. So like I said its a means to an end, but it is clearly much easier to do and is used if the option is there. If SE just randomly decided hey sense sb is coming out in less than two months in patch 3.57 lets go ahead and implement the unsync feature now. Im willing to bet nearly every instance on pf would be unsync every last one of them that is how the feature works its the easy way out and people are gona take it 9 times out of 10.

@Vidu
I have maybe close to cap of people on my friends list not sure havent checked yet , but the thing is vidu it really just seems to be no in between the casual and the hardcore. I made alot of mentor friends as I never left the nn they are hardcore raiders and cool for the most part some have asked for me to even come fill in. Well I have had limited experience with content that they have been farming for months now so just like people dont want a bonus in their party I dont want to be the person to bring a group down with content that I dont know like the back of my hand. And my other friends are just as casual as it gets, some full time crafters, some that want even do the 24 mans that are afarid to do those. I have friends that dont even want to do shom al hard, I mean Im not gonna stop being their friends because they dont want to challenge themselves.

So Im wat you would call a player that can clear content because I have sometimes things take a little more work than others but Im a pretty decent tank and healer Id like to believe. But Im not perfect and ill admit that , and alot of that has to do with the fact that a dungeon for instance I know like the back of my hand even know where adds will come where they are etc all of this. Its because Ive seen and memorized this content enough to no everything with a primal or raid most I haven't even done them more than 5 times. Just simply because I dont have the friends to run them with because many people are causal and using pf is draining sometimes. So I use this feature to make my learning party learn the fight while Im in it and get my clear and then pretty much dont even touch it anymore, theres no pathway from learning to farming and I dont even know if Id want to deal with some of the farmers mentality simply based off of what they say when they make parties is just rude and uncalled for. But yes maybe being in a fc with 500 members that are very casual aside from the leaders in the fc , does effect my outlook on things. But its not like I never tired, I asked people all over my friend list hey come do zur extreme with me, come join my a10s party etc.

Sometimes it works but alot of times it seems that many people just simply arent interested in high level content are those whom are have a very elitist perfectionist mindset. But I understand what your saying though and agree with what your sayin for the most part in ur reply. But sometimes its just very difficult to be in the middle are be the niche player when others shy away from challenge, and maybe others are so awesome at it that you cant keep up. Perfect example if you know xenos from youtube with his man mood videos the dudes like a master tank I could never do stuff like them at least I dont think. So its just simply hard to know where to look and its just tiring when others arent interested in tryin new things when your the only one. So sometimes being the long wolf gettin my one or two clears on extremes or savage is all I can do because I dont know where I fit in on the scale of the player base just somewhere stuck in the middle. And this is truly my first reall mmo experience before this I was playing swtor which was pretty much a solo game , so its hard I guess to know how to pick the right friends in a game.

[Annoynymoose]

What in tarnation.

You have officially achieved maximum density.

[Istaru]

Words. More words. So many words. All the words!!!

[bswpayton]

You have officially achieved maximum density.

Its just called keeping it real like I said I know what I see in pf if I took screen shots for a week Im sure I wouldnt see one sync party for any thing thats old

[Vidu]

I have maybe close to cap of people on my friends list not sure havent checked yet , but the thing is vidu it really just seems to be no in between the casual and the hardcore. I made alot of mentor friends as I never left the nn they are hardcore raiders and cool for the most part some have asked for me to even come fill in. Well I have had limited experience with content that they have been farming for months now so just like people dont want a bonus in their party I dont want to be the person to bring a group down with content that I dont know like the back of my hand.

Two words: Your. Problem.

Guess what? This is my first MMO aswell. As in: my very first.
I spend the first two months crafting because I was so afraid to go into dungeons and play with other people. But that wasnt the fault or problem of the game - it was enterily on me.
I dont like guns, so guess what, I'll never buy and play a shooter!
A very important lesson you'll have to learn is that you wont always like everything and that you have to be okay with that.

If you dont take the offer of your friends to join you for content because you're to anxious about that, thats on you to overcome that - not on the game to change to fit your needs.
I'm not telling you to abandon any friends that wont join you for EX-primals - I'm simply saying: If you have the desire to do that content, it would be a good idea to look for other people who'd like to do the same and befriend them or create a linkshell to keep them close. Unless you have a weird policy of having only 10 friends and 30 acquaintances, it shouldnt be a problem to add people to that list, right?
(And if your friendslist is full, I can only advise that linkshell-thing again - 128 more slots and you can fill them to create a community of people who share intrests)

You have made it very clear here that all the problems you're having (and that you assume others are having too) stem from one problem and thats your attitude towards the game and the choices you've made. So before you consider that the game is broken and need to be fixed, take a moment for some insight and ask yourself "Did I created this problem?"
You've already changed your minds on queuing for EX-primals in DF and found out that its better to create a PF-party for them - congratulations!

A lot of people in this thread have stated again and again that they're not having issues with the content - yet, its obviously the same content for everyone. So clearly they must be doing something right, that you're failing at - but guess what: If they/we are doing it, so can you! You're limiting and hurting only yourself, which is sad because the game has a lot of great content to offer. I wont force anyone to experience any of it - but everyone should be aware that they have to play by the contents rules, not the content by theirs.

Its just called keeping it real like I said I know what I see in pf if I took screen shots for a week Im sure I wouldnt see one sync party for any thing thats old

Just because its not in PF doesnt mean that no one is doing it. And even if no one at all wants to do it - whats the problem? Because then the content just stays completly untouched and for all that we know it could be filled with butterflies by now.
If you are, however, on about "I want to do this, but no one is making a party for it!" again, I dont know what to tell you anymore...

[bswpayton]

Two words: Your. Problem.

Guess what? This is my first MMO aswell. As in: my very first. .

Im not sayin that Im not doing content I did miss alex 1 to 9 but I will be at least going into 11s and 12 s but Im very aware it took some people months to beat this content so I dont expect anything. Ive cleared every extreme primal but zurvan in hw, just got tired of dps dyin to soar and took a break from it for a while but will go back in. Again Im not sure how many times I must say Im not asking the game to change anything current at all. Im just agreeing with the op because from what I see A nobody is using it in df, B nobody is puttin any sync runs in pf either.

I just recently tried to help a fc mate do a2s because I had only done a1s and a4s and would like to get as much alex done sync while I can but the thing is nobody joined Like I mention before. When people come to these forums and say that people dont do this content why dont people listen , just because your friends may be cool about doing stuff many other people arent if you are reaching out to the whole player base as a whole via party finder. There are rules and balances to things just like its a meta in raids like all of this is stuff that the community makes and what they want for the most part to take place in the game happens. Whether that be no nubs in your parties, kicking people for under performing all of that is from a wave of what some players think things should go and others just follow the lead.

I remember I did dun scathe with a fc member was her first time , she died alot the party kicked her despite it not really effecting how the raid was going I said its her first time chill out I get kicked out right after for speakin up for a friend. See thats the kind of nonsense that goes on in this game, and those are the kinda people you have to deal with to do certain content sometimes its just maybe better to get your clear and be fine simply because when people think they are good being an ****hole tends to go with it. Id rather stand up for the little players that just want a chance because I know many that the reason they dont do content is because of egotistic players.

So its hard for me to agree with those type of players because of their attitudes. So thats why its easy to agree with op on this post the players that are commenting im sure did coil when it was relevant well its like they have had all this time to do it. So why shouldn't other people share that experience as well it is just unsync content at what point does it no longer matter anymore. Its not the content its the people, its always the people until that changes in the game it will always be a wedge, thats why I have been a get a clear move on to the next player sometimes its better than dealing with rude vile people.

[HyoMinPark]

I'll just start off by saying that, if people do not want to read this entire post (as it will probably be long, because I haven't yet gotten gud at writing short responses to things), they can just read this quote, and what I have to say about here, and stop. Because it's basically one of the main points in my arguments here.

I haven't done coil Im pretty sure its face roll

Now we have established that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please tell me why you should be this advocating expert for the "little guy" in this game, when you are advocating for nerfing (because, yes, you are asking for a nerf to Coil by making unsynced equate to automatic clear) something that you have never stepped foot into, and thus have no expertise on?

That would be like me saying "Ugh. A12S is so hard. It needs to be nerfed so that the new players that want something to do before Stormblood can PUG in DF, and proceed to just watch Alexander Prime spontaneously combust at the start of the duty."

Note that I have never been inside A12S before, and my knowledge of its mechanics are limited, as I have only watched streams my friends do, and they don't give a run-down of mechanics in their streams. Thus, I have no right to call for nerfs for this imaginary "little guy" I can't even prove exists. Same concept applies to you and Coil

Okay, that's the short version. Those who are interested in more can read on. Those who aren't, I won't be offended. :>

Like I said its a good thing that the story is separated from alex savage than alex normal , that way this same problem will not continue that people seem to be having with binding coil. Just judging from the post here there seems to be a problem that people or having and Im just always on the side of the little guy when it comes to this game.

So, one person posting about how they couldn't clear T11 UNSYNCED because there were still mechanics involved in UNSYNCED equates to bunches of people having issues with the content? The only other thread I have seen about someone having a problem with Coil was the person who said they wanted it removed from Wonderous Tails because it was "too hard." Except, it's not, if you do mechanics, because yes, even in unsynced, they still exist. They may be skipped, but that doesn't mean that they aren't still there, and that you won't possibly see them.

And in my experience since I dont and wont to do coil (despite wanting to see the story and gettin the song anwers ),everything unsync is face roll and sense I will not be doing any alex unsync as well then the trend will continue for me personally

There's that phrase again. I'm going to say it one more time: Your experience =/= Fact. It is an opinion based off of what you've seen when you run things unsynced. That does not make it true for everyone. That does not make it a fact.

You are undeserving of the Answers Orchestrion Roll. Since you won't put forth the effort to even obtain it. Which, if you would get over this crap about "I won't take rewards from unsynced clears" (stop rolling on ponies then), you would have a chance to obtain the 3 faded copies you need to make the orchestrion roll. And you would get to see the story. If there's one thing I have noticed, when people are doing Coil clears for someone, they are perfectly okay with letting them watch and enjoy all of the cutscenes.

I just hope that if the problem persist through hw that the devs will hear those who are new or that stayed out of the way so that people wouldnt get on their case for not being good enough at the time content was current, that content will be made in a way unsync so that they can to get whatever fulfillment they get out of doing said content.

I don't see anyone here saying that. All I see is people saying that, if one is still having trouble clearing something--synced or unsynced--then they should probably look at what is giving them trouble, and learn from it. In this thread's case, it seems to just be mechanics in general. Thus why people are saying "Hey, you can't ignore them, even in unsynced! Because this is what could happen!"

You will never and I repeat hear me calling for a nerf to sync or current content, I am pretty good at acceptance even if for some reason I cant get past a hurdle Id rather accept that I cant do it than ask for a nerf on that content.

But it's okay to ask for nerfs in content that you deem irrelevant, or not current?

But if someone waits or is late and their only method to do something is to run it unsync then they should have the right wit that feature to be able to get past any hurdle in the game, because once something goes usync at that point it no longer matters anymore and people have moved on to something new and up to date.

That, again, is your opinion that older content doesn't matter. Some of my favorite content I did throughout this game was some of the Level 50 dungeons. Lost City of Amdapor is my favorite because of the music, and the detail in its scenery. But I guess I just don't care about that content, and I have moved on, because it's not "up to date."

As far as mentor goes I dont even do mentor roulette , but Im the type of person that if I did I wouldnt abandon a duty or anything like that and as it stands its not to much content I havent cleared that would be in the mentor roulette if I did do it outside of (titan which not even gona get on that instance).[/quote]

I have no idea what you're saying here, but if you ever plan on doing Mentor Roulette, you have to clear everything that is required to unlock it. Even Titan Ex. Not clearing doesn't mean it won't show up in the roulette. Titan Ex is not even that difficult anymore if you, le gasp, follow mechanics. Synced down, or unsynced at level 60.

I just simply am of two minds you work when it counts and unsync just simply doesnt count in my book its a trash feature but its a means to an end and has its purpose.

Your opinions are not facts~. Sing it with me! All together now!

But if the feature isnt leading to automatic clears for everyone then it has a very limited purpose , and should be reevaluated , like I said if people wont to fail they can do something sync , unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

If people want to fail at anything, they'll just /sit and let the boss punch them until they're dead. People fail in unsynced content all the time. Do you know how many times people die in T5 unsynced if they don't handle Twisters correctly? Basically everyone that doesn't, because that mechanic still kills you at level 60.

Value is subjective. Just because Coil has no value to you (apparently, from your posts in this thread) does not mean that it doesn't have value for others. I think that it's been shown time and time again in this thread that there are still those that value Coil in any form: synced, un-nerfed, unsynced, Echo version, etc..

And yea they put maybe the first three legs of coil in wt , but that doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will just get one or two people go in unsync and get in and get out just like they do with the arr primals. I dont waste my time with wt not about that rng life , but no Im not defending lazy people this is not the only post regarding to some players having issues with coil. There have been others and sense everything else unsync is faceroll then I see no reason to not make coil the same sense it is old and nobody is runnin it anyway so it shouldnt matter to anyone. And some of the things people have said makes sense ,but alot of it not so much Id be right there arguing with others about nerfing current content that people still play and do.

All Turns show up in Wonderous Tails. Last week I had T8 as one of mine. This week I have T3 and T13 (yay! <3).

Again, I only recall this post and one other commenting about how hard unsynced Coil is. But I guess that counts as "the majority."

Caring about content or not, is again, subjective. If no one "cares" about Coil, then who are those (including myself) posting here disagreeing with you? Last I checked, we aren't Nobodies. This is not Kingdom Hearts. And people do still run Coil. I'm sorry that you are apparently blind to that fact, but just because you say "no one runs Coil anymore, so it's content that doesn't matter" does not make such so.

So once they [raids] go to the grave yard then it doesnt matter what they do to the content cause whos setting up statics to do binding coil, whos gona be settin up statics to do alex savage when omega comes out nobody.

"I now deem this content old and irrelevant. Therefore, it does not matter what the developers do to the content. They could strip it of everything that makes it interesting, and I would not care. Because nobody runs it anymore! Also, I can see into the future, and I see nobody caring to run Alexander because Omega is the latest fad."

Okay.

You guys would have it that even after nobody is dong the raid nobody cares nobody wants to even touch it , its outdated new stuff is here that even still then you want to make clearing them exclusive. Like the stranglehold people want on content is just crazy to me , who cares about a raid once a new one is here so who cares if they nerf it in a way that anybody can clear them?

I still don't see where people are saying that those who weren't around with Coil was relevant have no right to the content with regards to clearing it. What I do see is people saying that, even unsynced, there are still these things called "mechanics" that cannot necessarily be ignored, or else they will just cause unnecessary issues; issues that could have been avoided if one just simply followed the mechanics.

So did people skip the 103 quest to hw because unsync allowed them to do it nope I dont think so, if anything the community has modified my attitude on these instances. I was the type that you know viewed this whole game as you know a whole entire game but its not tho, this game is what every patch that we are currently on. So once stormblood hits dont tell me that 75 percent of the game will aside from leveling be ran unsync on the regular because 50 percent of it now sure is.

Yes, because once Stormblood hits, no one new is going to come to this game, and run that older ARR garbage. Or even Heavensward. That stuff is so last expansion, so nobody cares about it anymore.

I see percentages. Please provide some evidence to support your figures. I can wait.

Like Im not in some fantasy land I know what I see on the party finder unsync snowcloak just need for anima, usnync pony farms quick burns this is what people think of old content.

Heh.

because with unsync everything is zerg the boss whether you like it or not.

But, I was zerging Ramuh-sempai, and then he killed me with his Judgement Bolt. D:

This statement is so false, I don't even have to explain why it's false. But I will. *clears throat* Just because you run something unsynced, does not mean that the mechanics are magically removed from the duty. You may skip them, and avoiding having to deal with them because you skipped, or you may not skip them, which, in that case, you better be prepared to handle them.

Can't skip meteors in T9. You have to deal with them, and you have to deal with the Golems. Sorry to disappoint you there. You can't ignore adds in Ramuh Ex. You have to deal with them. Same with the Wavetooth in Leviathan Ex. I can't tell you how many deaths I saw to people just ignoring it, it dropping it's lovely hysteria puddles, and people sliding into them when Levi would tilt the arena. Those same people then proceeded to run around the arena, and most of them just walked right off the edge.

Again Im not being unrealistic I am being real and being observant of the player base at least those on my server and what I see in the party finder.

Sorry, but 1/5 of the playerbase is not sufficient enough to speak for the majority.

And according to someone else in another thread, they pointed out that Primal does have PFs for things (I believe this was in the "There's no Learning Parties in PF"/"Let us keep EX primals in DF"/"Raid Finder sucks" thread).

I just started in hw , and this game has shown me unsync old stuff it doesnt matter do the new stuff for birds, and keep up with each new challenge in the current patch.

I also started in Heavensward, but I guess someone forgot to pass that memo on to me.

All people care about is progression they dont care about the fact that this is a whole game, so no Im not disrespecting you but just being real and honest

That's not "real" or "honest"; that is a generalization.

sigh just because they are there they are pretty much not even there you know on those same adds in sync mood you may have to actually do a rotation or something to get them down. when its unsync you can literally do one combo and they are dead one fire 4 they are dead , one fell cleave dead, If you want to call that a mechanic b my guess but their health goes down faster than a level one striking dummy so I wouldnt exactly call it that.

Above quote was regarding how you listed off ARR Ex primals, and some of the mechanics one had to do to clear them. And guess what, the adds do not necessarily die in one combo, and even if they did, that one combo is still part of a rotation. If you didn't have to do a rotation to down adds, then auto-attacking them would be a sufficient way of killing them. But, as it is now, that is not the case. You still have to kill those Ramuh adds, or else, Ramuh-sempai will get very angry, and RAMUH SMASH.

If it looks like a mechanic and quacks like a mechanic, it probably is a mechanic.

People can literally go in bis and ravana ignore 70 percent of the mechanics and kill them 99 times in less than an hour if you wana call that not give me then your welcome to that as well.

If you could prove this, or somehow make a video showing that you have the sick skillz to kill Ravana 99 times within 1 hour (that would require each run to only be 1.65 seconds, and no more), then I will retract all of my comments, and forever bow down to you.

Instead of tryin to change what the norm is Ive accepted it , and am pretty much of the mindset lets just give people what they want easy mood in old content because again this game is based on everyone not the few niche players that view this game as a whole package

.....wait. Didn't you just say a few posts ago that this game is not a singular piece of content, but an entire game?

All people care about is progression they dont care about the fact that this is a whole game

Ah, there it is. Oh. And here it is again a few posts later.

I wanted to try everything in the game simply because I view the game as a whole game.

Im actually surprised that people see things differently because its very apparent if you watch and observe thats how it is and its not gona change.

You keep making these claims about the majority, but I have still yet to see any evidence backing them up. If you are going to state something, and claim it to be a fact, then you need to also bring evidence to the table to support your "fact." And no, your personal views do not count as evidence.

So your going to deny what you see in your pf everyday people even here say that nobody does coil sync.

Are we even reading the same thread? Because I recall several people saying that there are still the occasional synced Coil parties in PF. Or, was I just imagining things?

If you are running it unsync how do you not want easy mood, the flip side of that is not easy whether its from challenge or time spent. So like I said its a means to an end, but it is clearly much easier to do and is used if the option is there. If SE just randomly decided hey sense sb is coming out in less than two months in patch 3.57 lets go ahead and implement the unsync feature now. Im willing to bet nearly every instance on pf would be unsync every last one of them that is how the feature works its the easy way out and people are gona take it 9 times out of 10.

So, since we're taking bets, what are you willing to bet on this made-up event that isn't even going to happen, but you say that it is so, so it must be?

And yes. I enter T13 just me and one other person to duo it because we just want the easy way out. We don't want to challenge ourselves. We don't want to beat Bahamut with just a WAR and an AST. Nope.

And I'm not going to add another quote to this, but just because you have friends that don't want to challenge themselves does not mean that there are not people out there that do. So, making unsynced = automatic clear for this "majority" of people that don't want to challenge themselves is still not a valid argument. And if you're picking friends based on their level of "casualness" or "elitistness," then you are basing your friendships on the wrong kind of qualities. Should probably re-evaluate that.



I've exhausted myself now. Didn't reply to everything like I wanted, because some things were so convoluted or made so little sense, I couldn't wrap my head around them. But I think this covers the major points that stood out to me in your responses.

[Dualgunner]

A whole lot of words that can be summed up as "People who have cleared are the bourgeoisie and the proletariat uncleared must rise!"

So you have nothing of value to add but "Noobs are weaksauce and need the vets to hold their hands through everything or have all difficulty curve steamrolled into a flat line."

[Vidu]

So you have nothing of value to add but "Noobs are weaksauce and need the vets to hold their hands through everything or have all difficulty curve steamrolled into a flat line."

That was basically their stance on EX-primals aswell already, yes - seperating experience people who want to farm and people who want to learn is bad in their book because those who want to learn will never be able to clear this way (since those who are experienced arent willing to help them). Basically assuming that anyone who (still) wants to clear EX-primals is totally unable to do that without having someone who knows the content well to hold their hand. As I said countless times on this specific matter again: Its a disrespectful and patronising towards them and unfair towards any vet/mentor/person who is willing to help to make those general assumption that new people arent able to clear content because they're to stupid on their own and everyone else is to egositic to help them when neither of those is true.

Ooh. More things to respond to.
Edit / massive post incoming.
I'll attempt to be brief.

Please dont be brief ;_; If we need massive textwalls, can we at least have them well written, thought through and structured properly?

[Istaru]

I don't know why I hate myself this much...

I just recently tried to help a fc mate do a2s because I had only done a1s and a4s and would like to get as much alex done sync while I can but the thing is nobody joined Like I mention before.

Funny you mention A2S... I actually hosted a PF for that a few weeks ago to get a glamour item. It took multiple tries to get the 2 people we needed, but with some patience, the party filled on our 2nd or 3rd attempt after like 30 minutes.

But patience seems to be very lacking. You can get people for any content. The only thing is that it may take multiple tries and take time. It won't be start to finish in 10 minutes.

When people come to these forums and say that people dont do this content why dont people listen , just because your friends may be cool about doing stuff many other people arent if you are reaching out to the whole player base as a whole via party finder. There are rules and balances to things just like its a meta in raids like all of this is stuff that the community makes and what they want for the most part to take place in the game happens. Whether that be no nubs in your parties, kicking people for under performing all of that is from a wave of what some players think things should go and others just follow the lead.

You think that people who are able to farm something for what they want, shouldn't do that, they should teach/carry other people so they get what they want instead?

You're upset that people who grossly underperform are kicked from farm parties??? When I'm on a DPS job, worthless, I know, but bear with me please, I am active doing things > 90% of the fight, including the time we are waiting on phase changes. If there is someone who is active only 30% of the time, we should carry them? I'll tell you right now, if everyone performed like that, we would never clear it much less farm it.

I remember I did dun scathe with a fc member was her first time , she died alot the party kicked her despite it not really effecting how the raid was going I said its her first time chill out I get kicked out right after for speakin up for a friend. See thats the kind of nonsense that goes on in this game, and those are the kinda people you have to deal with to do certain content sometimes its just maybe better to get your clear and be fine simply because when people think they are good being an ****hole tends to go with it. Id rather stand up for the little players that just want a chance because I know many that the reason they dont do content is because of egotistic players.

Did you just seriously call us a bunch of aholes? For the most part we have been fairly cordial towards you while you incessantly tell us that we're elitists and more. Now that title too?

If she died a lot, she did affect the raid. She contributed less damage than she should have and it took MP to raise her which further reduces the total damage output from the group.

With that being said, I don't kick new players who mess up easy content like Alexander normal and Dun Scaith. They need to learn the content and video guides don't work for everyone.

A Primal or Savage farm? I'll kick in a moment if it's a farm party.

Do you understand why? Silly me, I already know the answer.

Expectations. If the party description says it is a farm party there are expectations that come with that. Things like you know the fight and can handle the mechanics and you can perform your job well enough for the entire group to clear the content in a reasonable fashion.

If you can't, won't, don't do those things, you are being very rude to the people you are playing with. And to be quite honest, selfish. The very thing you accuse them of being.

So its hard for me to agree with those type of players because of their attitudes.

None of us responding to your ramblings have said to kick new people so don't place that label on us. Thank you very much.

So thats why its easy to agree with op on this post the players that are commenting im sure did coil when it was relevant well its like they have had all this time to do it.

Anyone who has been here any significant length of time has had the chance to do coil. I'm not buying this half baked defense either.

It's easy for you to agree with the OP since their view aligns with yours.

So why shouldn't other people share that experience as well it is just unsync content at what point does it no longer matter anymore. Its not the content its the people, its always the people until that changes in the game it will always be a wedge, thats why I have been a get a clear move on to the next player sometimes its better than dealing with rude vile people.

Have you not read and understood anything that we have been saying??? I don't know why I even typed that. I already know the answer.

None of us that are trying to talk sensibly to you have said that people shouldn't share the experiences we've had.

WE ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO SHARE THE SAME EXPERIENCES WE'VE HAD!!!

Without the mechanics or any chance of failure you cannot have the experiences we've had. I am going to separate and repeat that, it's important.

Without the mechanics or any chance of failure you cannot have the experiences we've had.

Please, stop reading for a moment and let that sink in. I know you won't, but a girl can try, right?

Our memories of our experiences are of our failures to beat the content and the first time we overcame those challenges and finally triumphed.

Anecdotal experience:

I clearly remember my A5S clear. Why?

The MT and I used to tease each other mercilessly, and he would kill me on purpose if the run was a failure and we needed to wipe and start over. Our first clear was ugly. Only 2 people were alive when we cleared it. The MT and I. That was a very long time ago. I'm still friends with that group as their raid crafter and backup healer. Whenever I join them on Discord, everyone remembers that moment.

None of us remember or talk about the clears after that.

Do you know why success and victory feel so awesome?

It is because of the frustration, the tears, the anger that came before that. All those other emotions turn into euphoria and joy when the challenge has been mastered.

Without the spectre of defeat, victory is hollow and meaningless.

Despite how you misrepresent us, I want everyone, even you, to have a taste of that.