Voice Chat?

[DaikiKiyoshi]

I think it's a good idea. Just have it set to off by default and have a tutorial showing people how to use it. Make it very simple to use. I feel that a lot of people would use it because it's so much quicker than getting people to go download third party programs if they don't have them already and then setting them up, etc. This way it would all be in client, easily accessible, and super user friendly without having to use third party programs. I honestly can't understand why people are against this.

And no one would take the time to enter a built in chat room for the party, which could instead be spent killing.

Or is that different?

Yes it is different because to use a third party program you have to tab out of game, start it up, wait for it to load, enter the chat room address, wait for that to load. An in game client could have a simple on/off switch. Much simpler.

Pretty much every other MMO that has built in voice chat, no one uses it because it is awful.

I doubt that. Any examples that are not subject to personal bias?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think it's a good idea. Just have it set to off by default and have a tutorial showing people how to use it. Make it very simple to use. I feel that a lot of people would use it because it's so much quicker than getting people to go download third party programs if they don't have them already and then setting them up, etc. This way it would all be in client, easily accessible, and super user friendly without having to use third party programs. I honestly can't understand why people are against this.




Yes it is different because to use a third party program you have to tab out of game, start it up, wait for it to load, enter the chat room address, wait for that to load. An in game client could have a simple on/off switch. Much simpler.

Pretty much every other MMO that has built in voice chat, no one uses it because it is awful. I'd rather the dev's not waste time working on something few would use and most would come on the forums to complain about, especially when there are many, better, 3rd party apps most already use.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I doubt that. Any examples that are not subject to personal bias?

Things I have read on forums pertaining to those MMO's. I have never actually used them, since I tend to use voice chat outside of games sometimes as well, and only being able to use it while in a particular game is annoying.

[Stitches1974]

I doubt that. Any examples that are not subject to personal bias?

WoW has built in voice chat and rarely anyone uses it, because it's so bad and I'm speaking from experience in using it.

From my raiding days in WoW, most people used ventrilo, as well as my raiding guild.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

WoW has built in voice chat and rarely anyone uses it, because it's so bad and I'm speaking from experience in using it.

From my raiding days in WoW, most people used ventrilo, as well as my raiding guild.

I would argue that WoWs community is also a lot less tame than ours but oh well. I still don't think adding one could hurt if it's set to off by default. If SE could do it right it would be more convenient. If you didn't want to hear people talking all you would have to do is turn it off.

As far as the argument that voice chat would then be required a lot of people already require 3rd party voice chat for their raids and trials so I don't see a difference except that it would be easier access to everyone instead of having to download third party.

I guess I'm just a bit miffed because everyone seems convinced that it would be used to harass people and troll while being harder to enforce the ToS in and it all just reeks of "because People suck this is why we can't have nice things."

[Stitches1974]

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I wouldn't say the WoW community was less tame. Go look at their forums for for example. Things that go on there would not fly here. In game stuff "can" be just as bad or worse. I had to tone myself down when I stopped playing WoW and started FFXIV. If WoW can't get their voice chat right, I don't think SE can. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen.

As for it being used to harass someone, yes, it can be, but so can a lot of other things.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

I wouldn't say the WoW community was less tame. Go look at their forums for for example. Things that go on there would not fly here. In game stuff "can" be just as bad or worse. I had to tone myself down when I stopped playing WoW and started FFXIV. If WoW can't get their voice chat right, I don't think SE can. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen.

As for it being used to harass someone, yes, it can be, but so can a lot of other things.

Sorry, I think I phrased that wrong. I meant WoWs community is overall worse than ours so by that logic I assume that just because a voice chat doesn't work there doesn't mean it wouldn't work here. Sorry for any confusion.

[Stitches1974]

Sorry, I think I phrased that wrong. I meant WoWs community is overall worse than ours so by that logic I assume that just because a voice chat doesn't work there doesn't mean it wouldn't work here. Sorry for any confusion.

No worries. If they can't get it to work properly, as well as other MMOs can't get it to work properly, I don't think SE can get it to work right. Would I like FFXIV to have voice chat ? Yes I would, but only if you can switch it on and off.

[Jijifli]

Yes it is different because to use a third party program you have to tab out of game, start it up, wait for it to load, enter the chat room address, wait for that to load. An in game client could have a simple on/off switch. Much simpler.

And that worked for other mmo's like WoW's so well.

Actually, did you know WoW even had a voice chat? It's so horrible that it's a sin to even mention the existence of it on that game. And even looking outside MMO section here, have you seen how voice chat can go? In Overwatch I was in the PvE event and have had people blow their head off at me over a single number. Repeat, that's not pvp. That's in their Uprising event, which is pve.

And as just an added note, are you telling me you're going to go into a voice chat with 3 random people in your expert roulette? Because I'm doubting it. And if it's in PF, people who weren't going to join your discord or vent weren't going to join on the built in voice either, if it was even any good.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

And that worked for other mmo's like WoW's so well.

Actually, did you know WoW even had a voice chat? It's so horrible that it's a sin to even mention the existence of it on that game. And even looking outside MMO section here, have you seen how voice chat can go? In Overwatch I was in the PvE event and have had people blow their head off at me over a single number. Repeat, that's not pvp. That's in their Uprising event, which is pve.

And as just an added note, are you telling me you're going to go into a voice chat with 3 random people in your expert roulette? Because I'm doubting it. And if it's in PF, people who weren't going to join your discord or vent weren't going to join on the built in voice either, if it was even any good.

Yes I would go into a chat with three random people. I go into voice chat with 7 random people for trials quiet frequently. Why would 3 be any different or worse? Can't say I've experienced what you have in Overwatch either. All my experiences in their voice chat have been pleasant with people offering advice and such. Would need a larger sample size than our experiences to gauge it obviously but I do think people blow how bad it is out of proportion.