As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Deliciou5]

Next post I get trolling me will be reported Ive really had enough of it as every time I make a comment here IM TROLLED. And what exactly am I supposed to be convinced of that dont already know?

You are genuinely ignoring things people say, and not acknowledging them...only sometime out of context in your own little bubble that only benefits your side.Your behavior can be seen as trolling, i am not even joking.I seen other people get banned for less in various forums than what you done.

I am sorry if you actually are a victim of actual hate, but being a victim doesn't mean the rules should change because of your exception. Please grow up and understand how most people see things, because what works the best what matters the most, not your feelings, what's practical and helps the most people is what matters most. Not everyone views things like this, but in serious statics or parties, you cannot justify your mistakes or deficiencies all you can do is apologize and try to improve. You need to understand that most people don't care how you play in most parties as long as you clear, but you can't blame people wanting to hold you to a higher standard, and you can't blame people if they don't like you or your attitude. All you can do is try again and try to be better than what you were.

Edit:Sorry if i replied twice, i just had more things to say, in my stupor i didn't edit my original post...my bad.

[Feyona]

You are genuinely ignoring things people say, and not acknowledging them...only sometime out of context in your own little bubble that only benefits your side.Your behavior can be seen as trolling, i am not even joking.I seen other people get banned for less in various forums than what you done.

While you say that I take things out of context so do many posts as well. You cannot answer everything for word limit. You accuse me of ignoring what you say though because I dont mention it? iI know and everyone knows the meta here, it doesnt help to repeat it. I agree several times its optimal or 'best' way. but you could say some are in a bubble if they expect or think everyone can play like that. You also cant deny that people would just like to play casual and enjoy the game. If I can accept that you like to do things the best way,why cant you accept that others want to just enjoy themselves? Doesnt your argument work both ways? Actually you know I still think alot of this is due to being underconfident with cleric. Cant help thinking that sorry. If I could at least ask for one thing would be a different mechanic. With that cant help feeling it potentially can cause wipes, and I apolgise for feeling that way or having that opinion

[Lambdafish]

You cannot answer everything for word limit.

There is no word limit if you go back and edit your post (the more you know )

If I can accept that you like to do things the best way,why cant you accept that others want to just enjoy themselves? Doesnt your argument work both ways?

It does in most scenarios (as clearly defined many times), but definately not savage raiding content. This is a piece of content where you absolutely cannot be selfish, and must not hold onto your predetermined "enjoyment". You are there to synergise with 7 other people and do the dance right to clear content. If the group has a predetermined way of doing the fight, you adapt, if they say they want cleric, you use cleric. If you don't like that, find another group, it is that simple.

YOU CANNOT FORCE PERSONAL IDEALS ONTO A SAVAGE RAIDING GROUP THAT NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH. It doesn't matter what they are, that is the cold hard truth of savage raiding, no matter what MMO you are part of, hell no matter what group role you are part of in life. I have had discomforts about phases as a tank, but I go away, research what the party has told me to research, liasoned with the other tank and worked out a strategy that will help the group as a whole beat the fight. Nowhere can I bring my personal preferences into it, I can't push the burden onto someone else because of the way I play.

Like I said before, you are a perfectly fine healer but your savage raid attitude needs to be more accepting. I can imagine you would have an awful time pugging difficult content with that attitude, because it requires a lot of adapting to suit others.

Edit: Also, before you say that I should be more accepting (because this will be your main counter point as irrelevant as it is), I honestly would be accepting of your playstyle within my own static, I've said before that healer DPS doesn't matter until you have seen enrage, but that isn't the point of discussion, the point is that your views of enjoyment don't matter, nor do mine, as long as they conflict with the interests of the group. You must adapt to synergise with your party if you want to raid, that is the way that it is.

[Feyona]

There is no word limit if you go back and edit your post (the more you know )



It does in most scenarios (as clearly defined many times), but definately not savage raiding content. This is a piece of content where you absolutely cannot be selfish, and must not hold onto your predetermined "enjoyment". You are there to synergise with 7 other people and do the dance right to clear content. If the group has a predetermined way of doing the fight, you adapt, if they say they want cleric, you use cleric. If you don't like that, find another group, it is that simple.

YOU CANNOT FORCE PERSONAL IDEALS ONTO A SAVAGE RAIDING GROUP THAT NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH.

well what you say has no bearing on me because I am in a savage team and we are doing it so what is your point? You cant force yours on me either so why state it? Plus I dont or ever have dismissed the needs of my team, where does that idea come from anyway ? Sorry to efit here bu because that guy left the group as well because he didnt like their treatment of me doesnt that tell you something? If it was the case I hadnt tried which was proved I did if you can see that side of things about the reports rubbish or not I still attemted to do what they asked of me and some of you have already said trying is acceptable I just wasnt given the time to learn or given instruction so yes bound to be rubbish according to the meta

[Lambdafish]

well what you say has no bearing on me because I am in a savage team and we are doing it so what is your point? You cant force yours on me either so why state it? Plus I dont or ever have dismissed the needs of my team, where does that idea come from anyway ? Sorry to efit here bu because that guy left the group as well because he didnt like their treatment of me doesnt that tell you something? If it was the case I hadnt tried which was proved I did if you can see that side of things about the reports rubbish or not I still attemted to do what they asked of me and some of you have already said trying is acceptable I just wasnt given the time to learn or given instruction so yes bound to be rubbish according to the meta

Sorry...? You must have massively misread what I said because I can't quite follow your arguement here. I know you are in a happy static right now, that's good and I'm glad you have a group that you synergise with. I'm talking specifically about your attitude towards your previous raid group that you got kicked from, and your idea that personal enjoyment comes first (which was a response to a direct quote) in raiding. I'm not forcing my own ideals onto you, that was never my intention, rather I was trying to explain that team ideals override personal ideals in raid (using my own personal experience of having to suit different groups) and each member needs to adapt. This is easy or hard depending on fight and group, and I'm glad that you have found a group who is happy with you. Go back and reread my posts with that frame of mind.

You seem to have this idea that i think you are bad, or that I am getting personal based on false info, and I want to clarify that all of my information is based on direct quotes and what I have read here, and all I want is to help you understand the reason that you were kicked from that raid group, and maybe help a few people along the way understand what it means to be in a raid group, I'm not trying to teach you how to heal, and I'm definately not saying that you aren't in a good place right now.

Edit: Also, minor gripe, can you please use the edit post function in future as you posted 5 times in a row, and it is a massive reason that this thread is so bloated.

[Feyona]

There seems bit of mis understanding about my old static because I never refused to try to dps I just said I couldnt find windows in a9s and while learning a10s. On a9s I was main healer. I have a personal preference to heal said Ill try and did.. In a one off group the tank died on zurvan ex twice because I was sch and dpsing,if I hadnt been in cleric tank wouldnt of died. I was asked to dps (so I did) and both times couldnt heal enough with a lustrate and had no time to put adlo on, after cs. Why I said that is you seemed to say that I dictate to my group. Thats nottrue but here I find having to defend why I couldnt dps one time. Because saying on one hand that its ok to only dps if your comfortable then saying you have a bad attitude if your group wants it and you dont is a bit of a no win dont you think? But the reason I was kicked was probably due to impatiance, and blaming more than my attitude. Raids are called static breakers in savage. Sorry to edit but dont know how to do it till after I post yes noobish looking but dont see edit function. This post was replying to Lambdafish btw

[AmeliaVerves]

Sorry to edit but dont know how to do it till after I post yes noobish looking but dont see edit function.

After you posted something and sent it there will be a button saying "edit" in the lower right corner of each of your post. Click it to avoid the restriction of 1.000 words.
It is a common thing to post something like "Placeholder /10char", because a post needs at least 10 characters and then people edit and write as much as they want to.

You can also click "quote" below various posts of others and then copy what you want to quote and paste it into another post of yours. That way you don't need >1 posts to answer to various people. ^^

[Lambdafish]

There seems bit of mis understanding about my old static

Thats fine, there was always going to be some misunderstanding, for example you have never once mentioned that you were invited under the explicit impression that it was a casual group. Kicking someone for underperforming is fine, but what isn't fine is them misinforming the standard in which is expected, that is the primary, and likely only issue with the situation and that puts them in the wrong. Expecting a pro healer isn't a bad thing, quite the opposite, but like with anything, communication and clarity is extreamly important.

I know you tried, and I know that you push yourself as a healer, and I'm sorry if any wires were crossed. I want you to understand, and I hope this has come across through the patience and frankly deep and thought provoking discussion that has happened in this thread, that healer DPS is a truly complex issue, and that your problem actually has nothing to do with that. The fault lies with the presentation of your invitation, and the fact that the standard that was expected was not made clear before you joined, and you suffered because of poor communication from them.

People complain about this discussion and how long it has stretched on for, but I have actually had a blast, learned a lot of things myself, and I feel like this is one of the most deep and thought provoking discussions about mechanical and social trends within this game that I have ever had on the forums, and that is what raiding is about, learning more about how the game works and how people work together to challenge the difficult content. Thanks everyone for the discussion