As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Feyona is the greatest troll ever....or she is really that ignorant and totally uses the SJW way of thinking to the point where no one can convince her.

Next post I get trolling me will be reported Ive really had enough of it as every time I make a comment here IM TROLLED. And what exactly am I supposed to be convinced of that dont already know?

[Deliciou5]

Next post I get trolling me will be reported Ive really had enough of it as every time I make a comment here IM TROLLED. And what exactly am I supposed to be convinced of that dont already know?

You can disagree all you want, but you can't sit there and pretend to pick and choose what you want to respond to out of context. You need to address at least the majority of the post, and not just part of it if you want people to take you seriously. It's really sad, because we tried our best to convince you, and you just reject everything as if we don't understand what's going on. In all actual reality we are successful raiders and peeps who are genuinely having a heart to heart with you and trying to be understanding, and all you can do is play the victim. I am sorry but you are only hurting your side of the arguement not helping it, you have such a low quality form of debating and you reject facts and things so effortlessly that i genuinely think your ignorant of the facts.

[Feyona]

You can disagree all you want, but you can't sit there and pretend to pick and choose what you want to respond to out of context. You need to address at least the majority of the post, and not just part of it if you want people to take you seriously. It's really sad, because we tried our best to convince you, and you just reject everything as if we don't understand what's going on. In all actual reality we are successful raiders and peeps who are genuinely having a heart to heart with you and trying to be understanding

I cant respond to everything we all respond to certain things we agree with or not. Ive already agreed healer dps is optimal what more can I say? Its optimal but some cant always do it. But when someone call me troll, strange stalker, derrogates my character, implies Im ignorant etc whaterever else calls me on here it isnt very nice and you arnt going to get the best responses from me eiither. The thing Im saying is that while learning fights like savage its very hard for some to do and Ive raided with serious people and they did not expect me to until after learning the fight. The casual group did, which is really my point its the ignorance of some that expect it. And srry if I edit I speak with controller and make mistakes cant see till after. I was ignorant of scholar being expected to dps how its expected to be played actually in a sense I thought I was a healer for a year and the casual groups didnt really show me. So I guess I will have to admit I WAS ignorant but I know now . And to save apost I det again, No, I agree Im not pro at debating and Im not a pro player either, and Im not a 'numbers' person. but I can still give feedback from the perspective of an average player, that would like to enjoy the game. You also really cant expect that only pro people can only share their experience of the game can you?

[Stormbad]

Next post I get trolling me will be reported Ive really had enough of it as every time I make a comment here IM TROLLED. And what exactly am I supposed to be convinced of that dont already know?

It's OK Feyona. Calm down. We all love you, we really do. Just very hard to understand you.

[Feyona]

It's OK Feyona. Calm down. We all love you, we really do. Just very hard to understand you.

My bad, I thought Id already explained where I come from over and over. Misunderstandings may work both ways I guess. And maybe I didnt make it clear, as I thought I did. I am the very first to admit Im not expert healer especially in my group , but dont like or agree that people say I dont try or something. That is a very big misconception, to me and people that say healers got nothing to do, I can only think that they are the very pro ones that genuinely dont. Its just not my experience that I dont need to heal alot, in end content. And Im talking from an average perspective

[Deliciou5]

Next post I get trolling me will be reported Ive really had enough of it as every time I make a comment here IM TROLLED. And what exactly am I supposed to be convinced of that dont already know?

You are genuinely ignoring things people say, and not acknowledging them...only sometime out of context in your own little bubble that only benefits your side.Your behavior can be seen as trolling, i am not even joking.I seen other people get banned for less in various forums than what you done.

I am sorry if you actually are a victim of actual hate, but being a victim doesn't mean the rules should change because of your exception. Please grow up and understand how most people see things, because what works the best what matters the most, not your feelings, what's practical and helps the most people is what matters most. Not everyone views things like this, but in serious statics or parties, you cannot justify your mistakes or deficiencies all you can do is apologize and try to improve. You need to understand that most people don't care how you play in most parties as long as you clear, but you can't blame people wanting to hold you to a higher standard, and you can't blame people if they don't like you or your attitude. All you can do is try again and try to be better than what you were.

Edit:Sorry if i replied twice, i just had more things to say, in my stupor i didn't edit my original post...my bad.

[Feyona]

You are genuinely ignoring things people say, and not acknowledging them...only sometime out of context in your own little bubble that only benefits your side.Your behavior can be seen as trolling, i am not even joking.I seen other people get banned for less in various forums than what you done.

While you say that I take things out of context so do many posts as well. You cannot answer everything for word limit. You accuse me of ignoring what you say though because I dont mention it? iI know and everyone knows the meta here, it doesnt help to repeat it. I agree several times its optimal or 'best' way. but you could say some are in a bubble if they expect or think everyone can play like that. You also cant deny that people would just like to play casual and enjoy the game. If I can accept that you like to do things the best way,why cant you accept that others want to just enjoy themselves? Doesnt your argument work both ways? Actually you know I still think alot of this is due to being underconfident with cleric. Cant help thinking that sorry. If I could at least ask for one thing would be a different mechanic. With that cant help feeling it potentially can cause wipes, and I apolgise for feeling that way or having that opinion

[Lambdafish]

You cannot answer everything for word limit.

There is no word limit if you go back and edit your post (the more you know )

If I can accept that you like to do things the best way,why cant you accept that others want to just enjoy themselves? Doesnt your argument work both ways?

It does in most scenarios (as clearly defined many times), but definately not savage raiding content. This is a piece of content where you absolutely cannot be selfish, and must not hold onto your predetermined "enjoyment". You are there to synergise with 7 other people and do the dance right to clear content. If the group has a predetermined way of doing the fight, you adapt, if they say they want cleric, you use cleric. If you don't like that, find another group, it is that simple.

YOU CANNOT FORCE PERSONAL IDEALS ONTO A SAVAGE RAIDING GROUP THAT NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH. It doesn't matter what they are, that is the cold hard truth of savage raiding, no matter what MMO you are part of, hell no matter what group role you are part of in life. I have had discomforts about phases as a tank, but I go away, research what the party has told me to research, liasoned with the other tank and worked out a strategy that will help the group as a whole beat the fight. Nowhere can I bring my personal preferences into it, I can't push the burden onto someone else because of the way I play.

Like I said before, you are a perfectly fine healer but your savage raid attitude needs to be more accepting. I can imagine you would have an awful time pugging difficult content with that attitude, because it requires a lot of adapting to suit others.

Edit: Also, before you say that I should be more accepting (because this will be your main counter point as irrelevant as it is), I honestly would be accepting of your playstyle within my own static, I've said before that healer DPS doesn't matter until you have seen enrage, but that isn't the point of discussion, the point is that your views of enjoyment don't matter, nor do mine, as long as they conflict with the interests of the group. You must adapt to synergise with your party if you want to raid, that is the way that it is.

[Feyona]

There is no word limit if you go back and edit your post (the more you know )



It does in most scenarios (as clearly defined many times), but definately not savage raiding content. This is a piece of content where you absolutely cannot be selfish, and must not hold onto your predetermined "enjoyment". You are there to synergise with 7 other people and do the dance right to clear content. If the group has a predetermined way of doing the fight, you adapt, if they say they want cleric, you use cleric. If you don't like that, find another group, it is that simple.

YOU CANNOT FORCE PERSONAL IDEALS ONTO A SAVAGE RAIDING GROUP THAT NO ONE ELSE AGREES WITH.

well what you say has no bearing on me because I am in a savage team and we are doing it so what is your point? You cant force yours on me either so why state it? Plus I dont or ever have dismissed the needs of my team, where does that idea come from anyway ? Sorry to efit here bu because that guy left the group as well because he didnt like their treatment of me doesnt that tell you something? If it was the case I hadnt tried which was proved I did if you can see that side of things about the reports rubbish or not I still attemted to do what they asked of me and some of you have already said trying is acceptable I just wasnt given the time to learn or given instruction so yes bound to be rubbish according to the meta

[Lambdafish]

well what you say has no bearing on me because I am in a savage team and we are doing it so what is your point? You cant force yours on me either so why state it? Plus I dont or ever have dismissed the needs of my team, where does that idea come from anyway ? Sorry to efit here bu because that guy left the group as well because he didnt like their treatment of me doesnt that tell you something? If it was the case I hadnt tried which was proved I did if you can see that side of things about the reports rubbish or not I still attemted to do what they asked of me and some of you have already said trying is acceptable I just wasnt given the time to learn or given instruction so yes bound to be rubbish according to the meta

Sorry...? You must have massively misread what I said because I can't quite follow your arguement here. I know you are in a happy static right now, that's good and I'm glad you have a group that you synergise with. I'm talking specifically about your attitude towards your previous raid group that you got kicked from, and your idea that personal enjoyment comes first (which was a response to a direct quote) in raiding. I'm not forcing my own ideals onto you, that was never my intention, rather I was trying to explain that team ideals override personal ideals in raid (using my own personal experience of having to suit different groups) and each member needs to adapt. This is easy or hard depending on fight and group, and I'm glad that you have found a group who is happy with you. Go back and reread my posts with that frame of mind.

You seem to have this idea that i think you are bad, or that I am getting personal based on false info, and I want to clarify that all of my information is based on direct quotes and what I have read here, and all I want is to help you understand the reason that you were kicked from that raid group, and maybe help a few people along the way understand what it means to be in a raid group, I'm not trying to teach you how to heal, and I'm definately not saying that you aren't in a good place right now.

Edit: Also, minor gripe, can you please use the edit post function in future as you posted 5 times in a row, and it is a massive reason that this thread is so bloated.