Slight Monk rework

[Krindor]

I like the up close style and all, but even if they could cross skill Death Blossom it would give them some what of a range, and since Death Blossom was lowered to only 100 TP its still better then the one Monks have and can be used more.

Taking the charge time into account, meditate + forbidden chakra comes out at 107 potency per gcd with a 2 second gcd. Which is 17 potency less than throwing daggers at a 0 TP cost and unlimited range. So just better get to spamming meditate when disengaged as TP is already a precious resource for monk.

Also, considering monks having a higher damage multiplier to their potencies, (43% vs 20%) it's actually stronger than any of the other melees. At 107*1.19 = 127 potency per GCD which is superior to both DRG and NINs ranged attacks. Though I don't remember if meditation is affected by GLs speed buff, as in that case it would be even stronger.

[Vorx]

@Krindor

Not really, in terms of actually doing runs a Monk is normally forced to dodge and run from most area attacks while Ninja and Dragoon are able to dodge and attack from afar. It could have all the power in the game but if its getting outta the way and not able to attack its pointless.
This is also why i suggested the position limits be removed as well. Moving around so much you lose almost 60% of your overall damage.

As for the range nothing can beat a decent range move, take or example the Library run, the guy does a close area then a long range. Close range one is fine, but then the long range is building you have a Ninja or Dragoon attacking while a Monk is forced to just stand there.

[Silver-Strider]

The sole reason that MNK is left out isn't because their damage is low or because of a lack of ranged attacks but because a lack of group utility.
The only raid utility MNK have is lowering INT and Enhanced Mantra but DRK offers INT debuff as well and Enhanced Mantra isn't required for anything really. It might be helpful in A12S since that fight is very heal intensive but it's not going to make or break the team either.

Changing Shoulder Tackle to be more spammable would be nice as I find that I have to move away more often from enemies for 1 reason or another that I won't have it up all the time but it isn't going to move MNK's position on the raid tier any higher than it currently is.

I hope that whenever SE decide to add Dancer and whatever they decide for the next tank class, that they deal Blunt Damage so that MNK will finally get some use again.

[Krindor]

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Charging meditation is the exact same thing as using a ranged attack but worth more in the end. You charge it every time you would range attack, then once in melee range again when you have 5 stacks, congrats you now have a free 320 potency attack at a cost of 0 TP. Ranged attack also has next to no significant effect on your overall damage, I can count on one hand the amount of times I use throwing dagger as a ninja in any of the fights where damage matters, that is Savage. It's something you don't need and like I said, meditation covers that role perfectly.

Situations to use throwing dagger, A11S when playing safe 1-2 uses. A12S, once during first time stasis. That's a total of 2-3 uses in the current savage tier, 1 use if you're able to do the optical sights mechanic timing properly. From what I'm reading it seems more like you're unable to move in an efficient matter and therefore have a lot of more downtime than needed.

[wereotter]

Monk really only brings two things to a raid, the enhanced mantra (which is REALLY handy while learning a fight) and dragon kick. I play both monk and ninja in raid depending on the floor, so A12 is monk because we don't have a dark knight, but A11 is ninja because it's better utility and easier to keep up Huton during all the Optical Sight phases than greased lightning.

It makes sense, to me, that monk wouldn't have a ranged attack, but as far as fixing that, I do think that shoulder tackle could stand to have it's cooldown time reduced, even if that means reducing the amount of damage it does. Additionally monk could get more added raid utility with the addition of another job that does blunt damage. Personally, I'd like to see one added that wields a two-handed war hammer like Nero does in Castrum. If another job could benefit from the blunt resistance down, then monk would suddenly be adding more to the raid, but as is, only it, and caster book/staff smacks do blunt damage.

[Vorx]

No matter how you look at it Monk has basically been left behind as of late. People don't depend on them as much as they do say a Dragoon or something, the last time i actually remember someone being excited seeing a Monk in a run was back before the current expansion we have. Now its just like "eh.."

[Allyrion]

No matter how you look at it Monk has basically been left behind as of late. People don't depend on them as much as they do say a Dragoon or something, the last time i actually remember someone being excited seeing a Monk in a run was back before the current expansion we have. Now its just like "eh.."

Yea sure, but what needs improving is important. We don't need a range attack and it sounded like you wanted to remove positionals, which would be horrible.

Monk is left behind because, as many others already said, we don't bring raid utility. Our own rotation and damage is fine and one of the best, but since we don't buff anyone else, it's usually an overall raid dps loss to bring a monk. No one is saying "Eh.." because they expect the MNK to be low on dps, it's because all they bring is high personal dps.

That was the case in ARR as well, but back then we had Dragon Kick exclusively at least. In 3.0, DRK is common and already brings the 10% debuff while also having very little synergy with MNK. MNK still has to do DRK because Delirium doesn't buff blunt damage and DRK still has to do it since it's their dps filler.

In addition to that, one debuff isn't enough anymore. DRG got Battle Litany and NIN got threat management (which means more tank dps). So we did get left behind, but only with raid utility.

[wereotter]

No matter how you look at it Monk has basically been left behind as of late. People don't depend on them as much as they do say a Dragoon or something, the last time i actually remember someone being excited seeing a Monk in a run was back before the current expansion we have. Now its just like "eh.."

Yup.... It's even gotten to the point on my data center that I've seen groups in PF explicitly excluding MNK from the available roles for various instances. And, no, it was not an oversight, they said it in the description, and removed monk from every DPS role slot.

[Inosaska]

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I don't believe monk is bad at all. I see plenty of videos on youtube of them having clears of top end content so its just a mental thing that everyone keeps trying to pin to monks are bad and not worth having in raids which isn't true at all.

[GeminiXIV]

I don't believe monk is bad at all. I see plenty of videos on youtube of them having clears of top end content so its just a mental thing that everyone keeps trying to pin to monks are bad and not worth having in raids which isn't true at all.

Nobody is saying Monk is bad and cant clear end game content. They just arent as efficient compared to other DPS due to low party utility.