As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Lambdafish]

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I understand all that, but you still completely missed what I said...

You focused on me telling you to improve, what I actually said was to find a group that suits your skill level and through that, you will improve. In order to do that you need to stop being so negative and actually be positive about improving in your role. I know that other people experience this, but its not actually the action that is important, but rather how you move forward from it. There are very experienced raid groups that will have no mercy for underperformance, there are also midcore raiders who would give you the time of day, however they will not do so if you have a bad attitude towards improvement. You are expected to research fights, you are expected to discuss improvements in rotation and to synergise with your healing partner, and that can't be done if you are at odds with other players.

I really want to help you get a good group and to help you play healer better, but you need to be willing and not so confrontational about what is expected of you.

(btw, what im saying is theoretical in terms of the game as a whole, in actuality - finding a group for alex with only 2 months until stormblood may be harder than it was, but groups should be recruiting for 4.0)

[Judge_Xero]

....what I actually said was to find a group that suits your skill level and through that, you will improve.

One thing that is so vitally important about healer DPS is this as far as having a solid raid group.

If you are in a group where no one cares about your healer DPS chances are that the group is made up of sub-par players (50% for damage or less) and as well probably don't care about party synergy. i.e. MNK, MNK, BLM, SMN, WHM, WHM, PLD, DRK VS NIN, DRG, BRD, MCH, AST, SCH, WAR, DRK

So take for instance players in melded i250 gear were able to meet the DPS checks for Creator (~i255 if melds included). These being top tier players playing at 95% efficiency or better with healer DPS included and using ideal compositions.

The approximate difference between melded i250 gear and i270 gear is 30% damage.
The approximate Party Damage difference between top players and mediocre players without healer DPS is 45%. (i.e. 14,500 DPS VS 10,000 DPS)

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So an issue with no-DPS healers finding a group of similar skilled players means that those other players are probably below par for how raid fights are tuned even @ max ilvl (not even counting proper mitigation etc)

@ min ilvl Creator was cleared with like 11k DPS with healer DPS.

If a group of less skilled players @ i270 and no healer DPS attempted it would be something like this.
- 11k x 1.3 = 14,300 DPS for skilled players

So ~ 9,700 DPS for less skilled players and then we take away healer DPS of about 1k DPS. So 8,700 Party DPS. That is not enough to beat enrage even @ i270.

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The best part about healer DPS @ any ilvl is it's ability to carry the group. A good goal to reach for combined healer DPS on A12S is about 1500 DPS -> which even in a terrible group 8,700 + 1500 = 10,200 which would be just enough to get a clear.

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So I think as a Raid healer, it's extremely important to try and do good because of how much of an impact it has on the overall group.

[Rubiss]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

[Lambdafish]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

You play SCH... There is a massive difference between playing suboptimally due to lack of skill, and what a job is "supposed to do". You have skills like rouse and adlo in order to generate gaps to put up your heal friendly DoT damage, that is how SCH is designed. If that's too hard for you then sure, play suboptimally, but don't come here and tell us that that is how you are supposed to play.

[Zojha]

You play SCH...

And I'm fairly sure she's just mocking the reply she got to her own comment that fights are highly scripted and damage thus fairly predictable.

[Lambdafish]

And I'm fairly sure she's just mocking the reply she got to her own comment that fights are highly scripted and damage thus fairly predictable.

I really really hope so, I felt like this thread was finally progressing somewhere (slightly) and then I get that, and my sanity was called into question.

In other news, I'm worried that people are liking the post (again, I hope ironically)

[Venoshock]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

I can't belive this thread has gone on for this long (i guess i'm adding to it >_>).....but anyway, at the risk of taking the bait. If the blm takes....the tank buster...ok thi is bait isn't it? lol alright, i'll eat it, if the BLM takes the tank buster, it's not your fault. Just ressurect them and laugh at them and question why a blm is taking a tank buster. You might want to have a word with your tank too.

Lol if this is bait though, it is truly great.

[Feyona]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

Well that does happen despite your sarcasm, blm do get aggro sometimes. The 'bitchiness in here is beginning to feel like a school playground towards those not in the excellent click. And I stuck up for those people too at school and will always defend the 'not so fortunate '

[Feyona]

I understand all that, but you still completely missed what I said..

Thanks I already have a group, and I dont think my attitude in that group is at fault and the negativity here didnt begin from my side, I was more or less told to dps or gtfo. I also didnt think that my attitude was worse than alot of people here. I guess everyone's usually negative towards things they dont like And no Im not in top percetile on ast but I dont think my group cares.And as for improving people need practice . And there is absolutely nothing wrong with my healer dps outside new content which does say more about learning fights than anything. So no need for your concern just feel sorry for all those other healers being harrassed to dps

[Lambdafish]

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There you go then, discussion over. You have a group that suits your skill level, your old raid group probably has someone who suits their skill level. In your current group you can co-ordinate with your co-healer to optimise fights through practice, and you say that you use healer DPS. Sounds like there was no problem to begin with.

As for other healers, my point stands just as heavily: nobody here is demanding optimal play from those who do not have the skill to do so, though people do get annoyed when you tell them that healer DPS shouldn't be something to strive for, and isn't ideal method of healing and you shouldn't try to reach that goal. The reason for this is because "can't do it" turns into "won't" or "shouldn't" and people take issue with that.

My advice to players who can't and are still harrassed (again, rarer than you make out) is to ditch the toxic people and find a group on your level of the scale, as you will gel with them better and you are able to improve and practice at your own pace rather than being burdened by the pressures of a group with higher skill (who may even see you struggling to keep up as you being carried).

Well that does happen despite your sarcasm, blm do get aggro sometimes. The 'bitchiness in here is beginning to feel like a school playground towards those not in the excellent click. And I stuck up for those people too at school and will always defend the 'not so fortunate '

People have been answering your questions and being met with weird answers for too many pages (I just resolved your issue and I hope it is an adequate answer, there is no need to continue pushing against people), people are getting agitated and bored, wishing to knock some sense into you though any means necessary, that's just how people work.

Also, it does happen sometimes yeah, but if you were in cleric stance and the BLM being killed by the tank buster would then put aggro back on the tank, you just raise them when you can, no harm done. Nobody is going to say "you raised them too slow", instead the BLM and the MT are going to have an argument as to why them BLM pulled hate :P

Jez and Im the one being negative lamdafish?

Considering I agree with them on that issue, I would say that you are being slightly hostile by implying that their opinion is less valuable. I also do not play SCH or any healer in raid, but I do talk to my raid team, my raid leader is a SCH and as a tank it is important for tanks and healers to communicate, to talk about openings etc. I have skills like hallowed ground, if I use this on a tank buster then that offers a healer a gap in healing in order to DPS and this is all co-ordinated. That is how I know about healer DPS in raid, and I trust that bounddreamer is the same way. Just because you don't play a role, doesn't mean that you aren't involved within that role passively while raiding.

Also, do yourself a favour and talk to your tanks about tanking (you said you don't know about tanking). It will improve you as a healer to know what your tanks are capable of, and you should observe their rotations proactively rather than reactively so that you can generate better synergy with them and the fight itself.