As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Also... slightly off-topic, PLD's sword oath is on the GCD, meaning that it takes 2.5 seconds to go into it, and 2.5 seconds to get out of it, so yes there is a barrier.

You are right it is the expectation and it isnt just MY problem as you can see other people get it too, but I wish I had never mentioned my personal experience because it tends to get made the entire problem that only I have and no one else . But these were just examples of what happens when you dont get chance to learn this optimal level of play and you are nervous about doing it and its interpreted as refusing, like its so easy everyone can do it. Even when learning a fight. Im not a proffessional footballer and those places are extremely hard to get. Yes you can improve but if no one has a learner then you cant progress. Its hard to do in new content so should be disabled. I am not the only person that finds it hard even hardcore groups say learn fight first. I dont have such a narrow mind that IIm not seeing the whole picture of the situation. This is like not having a pitch to play on tbh it creates exclusion from content . I can heal stuff though same as a guy can have fun playing with his friends and still win a football game. Cos he can still score goals. Doesnt matter if he cant be a goal keeper and score at the same time. Actually goal keeping is a very good analogy as it is essentia for him to be there but doesnt have to do everything the rest of the team is doing he has to watch the ball though and prevent a goal Its doubt full If his team moans at him for standing there for 10 seconds though without trying to score a goal. Would you say goal keepers are lazy?

[Lambdafish]

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I understand all that, but you still completely missed what I said...

You focused on me telling you to improve, what I actually said was to find a group that suits your skill level and through that, you will improve. In order to do that you need to stop being so negative and actually be positive about improving in your role. I know that other people experience this, but its not actually the action that is important, but rather how you move forward from it. There are very experienced raid groups that will have no mercy for underperformance, there are also midcore raiders who would give you the time of day, however they will not do so if you have a bad attitude towards improvement. You are expected to research fights, you are expected to discuss improvements in rotation and to synergise with your healing partner, and that can't be done if you are at odds with other players.

I really want to help you get a good group and to help you play healer better, but you need to be willing and not so confrontational about what is expected of you.

(btw, what im saying is theoretical in terms of the game as a whole, in actuality - finding a group for alex with only 2 months until stormblood may be harder than it was, but groups should be recruiting for 4.0)

[Judge_Xero]

....what I actually said was to find a group that suits your skill level and through that, you will improve.

One thing that is so vitally important about healer DPS is this as far as having a solid raid group.

If you are in a group where no one cares about your healer DPS chances are that the group is made up of sub-par players (50% for damage or less) and as well probably don't care about party synergy. i.e. MNK, MNK, BLM, SMN, WHM, WHM, PLD, DRK VS NIN, DRG, BRD, MCH, AST, SCH, WAR, DRK

So take for instance players in melded i250 gear were able to meet the DPS checks for Creator (~i255 if melds included). These being top tier players playing at 95% efficiency or better with healer DPS included and using ideal compositions.

The approximate difference between melded i250 gear and i270 gear is 30% damage.
The approximate Party Damage difference between top players and mediocre players without healer DPS is 45%. (i.e. 14,500 DPS VS 10,000 DPS)

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So an issue with no-DPS healers finding a group of similar skilled players means that those other players are probably below par for how raid fights are tuned even @ max ilvl (not even counting proper mitigation etc)

@ min ilvl Creator was cleared with like 11k DPS with healer DPS.

If a group of less skilled players @ i270 and no healer DPS attempted it would be something like this.
- 11k x 1.3 = 14,300 DPS for skilled players

So ~ 9,700 DPS for less skilled players and then we take away healer DPS of about 1k DPS. So 8,700 Party DPS. That is not enough to beat enrage even @ i270.

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The best part about healer DPS @ any ilvl is it's ability to carry the group. A good goal to reach for combined healer DPS on A12S is about 1500 DPS -> which even in a terrible group 8,700 + 1500 = 10,200 which would be just enough to get a clear.

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So I think as a Raid healer, it's extremely important to try and do good because of how much of an impact it has on the overall group.

[Rubiss]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

[Lambdafish]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

You play SCH... There is a massive difference between playing suboptimally due to lack of skill, and what a job is "supposed to do". You have skills like rouse and adlo in order to generate gaps to put up your heal friendly DoT damage, that is how SCH is designed. If that's too hard for you then sure, play suboptimally, but don't come here and tell us that that is how you are supposed to play.

[Zojha]

You play SCH...

And I'm fairly sure she's just mocking the reply she got to her own comment that fights are highly scripted and damage thus fairly predictable.

[Lambdafish]

And I'm fairly sure she's just mocking the reply she got to her own comment that fights are highly scripted and damage thus fairly predictable.

I really really hope so, I felt like this thread was finally progressing somewhere (slightly) and then I get that, and my sanity was called into question.

In other news, I'm worried that people are liking the post (again, I hope ironically)

[Venoshock]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

I can't belive this thread has gone on for this long (i guess i'm adding to it >_>).....but anyway, at the risk of taking the bait. If the blm takes....the tank buster...ok thi is bait isn't it? lol alright, i'll eat it, if the BLM takes the tank buster, it's not your fault. Just ressurect them and laugh at them and question why a blm is taking a tank buster. You might want to have a word with your tank too.

Lol if this is bait though, it is truly great.

[Feyona]

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

Well that does happen despite your sarcasm, blm do get aggro sometimes. The 'bitchiness in here is beginning to feel like a school playground towards those not in the excellent click. And I stuck up for those people too at school and will always defend the 'not so fortunate '

[Feyona]

I understand all that, but you still completely missed what I said..

Thanks I already have a group, and I dont think my attitude in that group is at fault and the negativity here didnt begin from my side, I was more or less told to dps or gtfo. I also didnt think that my attitude was worse than alot of people here. I guess everyone's usually negative towards things they dont like And no Im not in top percetile on ast but I dont think my group cares.And as for improving people need practice . And there is absolutely nothing wrong with my healer dps outside new content which does say more about learning fights than anything. So no need for your concern just feel sorry for all those other healers being harrassed to dps