As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Genaxx]

I had a 'debate' about this recently with a healer during expert roulette. The healer had alot of downtime due to me being at 90% hp during pulls, I asked them if they could use cleric stance, their reply was 'But I will heal less'. To me that point is moot because they weren't healing anyway.

Healers can mitigate damage by using offensive skills. Holy for example, less damage to the tank because they are stun locked and die quicker due to its high damage.


Maybe when I tank I shoud stand there and do nothing once I have enough aggro and wait for it to drop again

[Fevelle]

I had a 'debate' about this recently with a healer during expert roulette. The healer had alot of downtime due to me being at 90% hp during pulls, I asked them if they could use cleric stance, their reply was 'But I will heal less'. To me that point is moot because they weren't healing anyway.

Healers can mitigate damage by using offensive skills. Holy for example, less damage to the tank because they are stun locked and die quicker due to its high damage.


Maybe when I tank I shoud stand there and do nothing once I have enough aggro and wait for it to drop again

He was OBVIOUSLY not confident in entering Cleric Stance. I swear players in this game have ZERO empathy.

[Shurrikhan]

He was OBVIOUSLY not confident in entering Cleric Stance. I swear players in this game have ZERO empathy.

If the tank isn't dropping below 90% HP despite the healer having "a lot of downtime" in which they "weren't healing anyways", there is no reason to be scared of 5 seconds' diminished healing. I'd have empathy for the healer back in Sastasha and/or for as long as it takes for the healer to get comfortable with the tank's rate of damage taken. But by 50+, having already seen the tank's health rates across numerous pulls?...

[Fevelle]

If the tank isn't dropping below 90% HP despite the healer having "a lot of downtime" in which they "weren't healing anyways", there is no reason to be scared of 5 seconds' diminished healing. I'd have empathy for the healer back in Sastasha and/or for as long as it takes for the healer to get comfortable with the tank's rate of damage taken. But by 50+, having already seen the tank's health rates across numerous pulls?...

Personally I'd still give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they have problems, or maybe their skill level is not high enough, I don't know. If I have to stay 10 or 15 more minutes in a dungeon so I don't force someone into being anxious by doing something they don't feel capable of, then I'll take it anytime.

[FinaSel]

He was OBVIOUSLY not confident in entering Cleric Stance. I swear players in this game have ZERO empathy.

The person you replied to said "I had a 'debate' about this recently with a healer during expert roulette."

As a White Mage, I cannot begin to understand how someone could not be confident with Cleric Stance by the time they reach expert roulette.

How much patience and empathy are we supposed to have for someone who chooses to enter expert roulette with a level 60 when they aren't confident in using a large portion of their skill set.

I can absolutely understand being patient with people in pre-60 things. People are still learning. But in expert roulette?
We need to draw a line somewhere.

But by the time you get to 60 with any job, you should be confident in your abilities, especially abilities you get at level 6 (Conjurer level 6 gets cleric stance)

[Fevelle]

The person you replied to said "I had a 'debate' about this recently with a healer during expert roulette."

As a White Mage, I cannot begin to understand how someone could not be confident with Cleric Stance by the time they reach expert roulette.

How much patience and empathy are we supposed to have for someone who chooses to enter expert roulette with a level 60 when they aren't confident in using a large portion of their skill set.

I can absolutely understand being patient with people in pre-60 things. People are still learning. But in expert roulette?
We need to draw a line somewhere.

But by the time you get to 60 with any job, you should be confident in your abilities, especially abilities you get at level 6 (Conjurer level 6 gets cleric stance)

Level doesn't mean anything in FFXIV. You can get to 60 by FATES and unlock Expert by doing the MSQ. Also, there is many reasons for someone not to be confident: anxiety, disability, not enough experience with said job (alt-jobs are a thing, mind you).
"How much patience and empathy are we supposed to have?" - well personally I think as much patience and empathy as it takes.